Mosin Nagat M91/30
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NB.nagantsniper
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no m44 or m38scarbines were used for snipers or scope mounted in ww2 ...............nor watch and im sure ill be proven wrong .
The m91/30 is the full length rifle, while the m38 and m44 are the carbines. The difference between the M38 and M44 is that the M44 has a side-folding pig-sticker bayonet, while the M38 cannot take a bayonet at all.
The three main rifles that were largely out of service by the time WWII rolled around were the original 1891 Mosin Nagant, the slightly shorter dragoon rifle, of which the 91/30 is a modified version of, and the m1910 carbine, a rare carbine version of the original MN.
The three main rifles that were largely out of service by the time WWII rolled around were the original 1891 Mosin Nagant, the slightly shorter dragoon rifle, of which the 91/30 is a modified version of, and the m1910 carbine, a rare carbine version of the original MN.
Why the f*** would a Mosin carbine be used as a sniper? The short barrel would render it useless as a sniper rifle. It is a short to moderate range weapon. By definition, a sniper uses cover and concelament to make medium to long range kills that invlolve high levels of accuracy. An M38 or M44 with a short barrel (decreasing the range of the 7.62x54R round) and large weapons signature would render that task suicidal.
Just saying.
Have to agree with you here. The M44 was basically meant as a streetfighting rifle; I am quite certain the Soviets never scoped them.
Plus adding a scope does not make a rifle nor a shooter a sniper.
When the CF first deployed the C7 with the Elcan C79 sight, all the locals though we were snipers. If they only knew how poorly some of them could shoot. The enemy was probably safer with the bad shooters behind the C79 sight due to their tunnel vision tendencies and piss poor understanding and application to the WORM rule.
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The M44 and M38 were never scoped, however several M91/30 rifles were picked off the lines in the factory for thier better tolerances and workmanship and turned into sniper rifles by adding a PU scope in 3.5X power if I have it correctly. Also, several early M-91 rifles were modified to take the scope as well and were noted by snipers to be of generally better accuracy and workmanship than the current production. Go figure.
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I understand, I had read somewhere on mosinnagant.net that in 1942(ish) the Russians took some M91's and modified them to M91/30 config with scopes, but I consider this a M-91 scope refit rather than a true production m91/30. Each to thier own. Yes, the Finns did do so. Sadly it seems the Finnish line of scoping thier rifles never really panned out well.
From eye witness account, He worked in Polish Army emergency supply depot. He said that he so M-44 with scopes mounted on them. Plus their is Polish documentary movie about "Operation Vistula" mass deportation of Ukrainians by Polish Goverment from Eastern Carpathians in 1947. In this movie there are meny scenes with Polish Troops scoped M-44 carabines. I think it was localy made alteration of m-44. Short rifle is better for mountines plus the landscape is forested with no many places for long range shooting
Interesting article at Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosin–Nagant
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