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Hey all,

Couple of quick questions for you guys. I'm the soon to be owner of a mosin 91/30, and have to admit that I'm not really in love with the original sights. That said, I don't think that I want to drill and tap, bend the bolt, and jump through all the hoops to have a scope mounted conventionally.

From all my browsing (and there has been a alot!) I think that the option that would suit me best is either the mojo sight system with dual apertures, or mounting a scout scope in place of the original rear sight - potentially using the "brass stacker" mount.

I have a number of questions coming from this. First of all, is there any way to even get the mojo sights in Canada? I've seen on their website that they don't ship intentionally, but I'm positive that I've seen some comments on the internet from people up here saying they love their mojo sights. So some confusion there and hopefully someone can set me straight there.

Secondly, if I were to go with the scout scope option, what are some opinions of a good quality pistol scope? The one most people on forums seem to turn to is a cheapo NcStar, but I can't bring myself to think that I won't be pissaed when the cheap side of it starts to show under the recoil of the mosin. I would prefer to keep the scope on the cheaper side, but really don't want to be in a position where I have to replace the optics before I want to upgrade them.

Many thanks ahead of time for the help that I know I'm going to see from you guys on the forum. I can't wait to get my hands on my Russian mail-order beauty!
 
Goodship Athabaskan said:
Hey all,

Couple of quick questions for you guys. I'm the soon to be owner of a mosin 91/30, and have to admit that I'm not really in love with the original sights. That said, I don't think that I want to drill and tap, bend the bolt, and jump through all the hoops to have a scope mounted conventionally.

From all my browsing (and there has been a alot!) I think that the option that would suit me best is either the mojo sight system with dual apertures, or mounting a scout scope in place of the original rear sight - potentially using the "brass stacker" mount.

I have a number of questions coming from this. First of all, is there any way to even get the mojo sights in Canada? I've seen on their website that they don't ship intentionally, but I'm positive that I've seen some comments on the internet from people up here saying they love their mojo sights. So some confusion there and hopefully someone can set me straight there.

Secondly, if I were to go with the scout scope option, what are some opinions of a good quality pistol scope? The one most people on forums seem to turn to is a cheapo NcStar, but I can't bring myself to think that I won't be pissaed when the cheap side of it starts to show under the recoil of the mosin. I would prefer to keep the scope on the cheaper side, but really don't want to be in a position where I have to replace the optics before I want to upgrade them.

Many thanks ahead of time for the help that I know I'm going to see from you guys on the forum. I can't wait to get my hands on my Russian mail-order beauty!
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I can't find MOJO sights in Canada. The NCstar scope SPB 2732b is known to hold up under the mosins recoil and it has a lifetime warranty. The best way to attach it IMO is to remove the rear sight block and use the dovetail underneath. If you want to spend more on a scope the leupold is a good choice. Congratulations mosins rock. I love all five of mine.
 
Goodship Athabaskan said:
Secondly, if I were to go with the scout scope option, what are some opinions of a good quality pistol scope? The one most people on forums seem to turn to is a cheapo NcStar, but I can't bring myself to think that I won't be pissaed when the cheap side of it starts to show under the recoil of the mosin. I would prefer to keep the scope on the cheaper side, but really don't want to be in a position where I have to replace the optics before I want to upgrade them.
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I have 3 mosins; a Polish m44, m44 Tula, and 91/30 Tula.

I played with the scout scope setup, the one where you take the rear leaf off and install the rail by filing the mating ramp to fit. It went on crooked, and the set screws hurt the finish on my receiver and front handguard. I don't recommend this option unless you are good with your hands or know someone who is. Even if you do it right, it could go on crooked, or it may not hold zero because it's a single point mount that uses aluminum set screws pushing down on steel with a cheap scope on top.

My recommendation to you would be to do it properly with the PU scope setup or just leave it with the irons. This is what I plan to install on my bent bolt 91/30. I mean, it's only going to cost me $400.00 but at least I'll have good scope and backup irons, without s**tty chinese scope that breaks.

I typically shoot 80-100 rounds out of my mosins per range trip, I don't find they recoil much, at least not enough to stop shooting. I think you'll find the same, it's mostly #####-people that complain. I shot 140 rounds out of my Mosins one day, after shooting 80 rounds of 303. Both rifles had a metal buttplate. I'm not saying I have a magic shoulder, just don't believe people when they say Mosin recoil is harsh. 3inch slugs recoil, not 7.62x54r out of 9lb gun.
 
only 400? what a wast of money. its not like the value is going to go up on these things. how much for the rifle itself? i bought my savage 30-06 for 400 and it came with a decent scope.
 
Haha it's my money and I'll spend it however I want (while I'm single).

I'm not going to try and justify it, but I heart mosins. It's the only way to properly scope them, so if you want to play you have to pay. A pre-scoped mosin costs $550 and I paid $150.00 for the gun.
 
I've scoped a Mosin, actually several of them, but I have a retired machinist next door to me with a machine shop. If you have the experience and the machines, its not a big deal. However if you're going to attempt it with hand tools, it make it difficult to get the mount straight.

Personally, for the time and effort, I would just buy a sniper version already scoped. As for recoil, I can shoot it all day. Its a heavy rifle and soaks up a lot of recoil. It has heavy recoil compared to a .22, but has very little recoil compared to my 45/70.
 
fiddler said:
I've scoped a Mosin, actually several of them, but I have a retired machinist next door to me with a machine shop. If you have the experience and the machines, its not a big deal. However if you're going to attempt it with hand tools, it make it difficult to get the mount straight.

Personally, for the time and effort, I would just buy a sniper version already scoped. As for recoil, I can shoot it all day. Its a heavy rifle and soaks up a lot of recoil. It has heavy recoil compared to a .22, but has very little recoil compared to my 45/70.
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+1 on the sniper clone. Look awesome, rugged mount and scope and iron sights available on the go:)
Jocelyn
 
what kind of accuracy are we talking with the mosin nagant whats the range and groupings it is capable of?
 
dweenz said:
what kind of accuracy are we talking with the mosin nagant whats the range and groupings it is capable of?
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I can only speak for myself @ 100 yards, but they can be awesome. The PU ins't a "precision" scope, as fine adjustments can be difficult. I shoot 1-2 inch groups often. Granted these are commercial loads.

I'm going to reload shortly, and I expect even better groups.
 
dweenz said:
what kind of accuracy are we talking with the mosin nagant whats the range and groupings it is capable of?
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Out of the box my last 3 Mosins, $100 WW2 issue, could do 8" at 200 yards.
After some tweeking, and turning one into a replica M38 carbine, I can do 6" @ 200 yds.
The rifles are capable of better but my old eyes aren't
 
Goodship Athabaskan said:
Hey all,

Couple of quick questions for you guys. I'm the soon to be owner of a mosin 91/30, and have to admit that I'm not really in love with the original sights. That said, I don't think that I want to drill and tap, bend the bolt, and jump through all the hoops to have a scope mounted conventionally.

From all my browsing (and there has been a alot!) I think that the option that would suit me best is either the mojo sight system with dual apertures, or mounting a scout scope in place of the original rear sight - potentially using the "brass stacker" mount.

I have a number of questions coming from this. First of all, is there any way to even get the mojo sights in Canada? I've seen on their website that they don't ship intentionally, but I'm positive that I've seen some comments on the internet from people up here saying they love their mojo sights. So some confusion there and hopefully someone can set me straight there.

Secondly, if I were to go with the scout scope option, what are some opinions of a good quality pistol scope? The one most people on forums seem to turn to is a cheapo NcStar, but I can't bring myself to think that I won't be pissaed when the cheap side of it starts to show under the recoil of the mosin. I would prefer to keep the scope on the cheaper side, but really don't want to be in a position where I have to replace the optics before I want to upgrade them.

Many thanks ahead of time for the help that I know I'm going to see from you guys on the forum. I can't wait to get my hands on my Russian mail-order beauty!
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I would wait and see how good the rifle shoots before making a comitment on optics. Take it to the range, sand bag it or lead sled it. If the rifle is only capable of 6" groups, a scope isn't going to help tighten that up. (I my experience)

Get a smith's sight to replace the factory front sight, and run irons. (it will allow you to zero it without the bayonet)
 
Wow, thanks so much for all the helpful replies so quickly! I think running with irons until I have a sense of how good she shoots makes the most sense, but isn't planning and scheming such a parat of the fun? Now if my wife knew how all these plans were unfolding....

Originally, I had intended to go for one of the "sniper" models, but my concern was that I would end up paying quite a bit more for a fancy mount and optics on a rifle that would just go ahead and shoot a 7inch group for me no matter what I tried.

No matter how this goes down, I'm just stoked to have something with a bit more kick to it than the C7's I work with in the military. Accurate sure, effective i dont doubt, but really lacking the fun I know is going to be coming from tuning up a big old milsurp!

One thing I'll ask though. I'm hearing lots of recommendations for the PU setup over going with a modern mount and scope setup. Is this mostly just esthetics? Running the numbers quick it doesn't look to be much cheaper going at it that way....
 
dweenz said:
what kind of accuracy are we talking with the mosin nagant whats the range and groupings it is capable of?
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With factory Sellier & Bellot 180 gr my M44 would do about 4-5" @ 100 yds
I was a bit (well okay, quite) disappointed until I started handloading for it.
49.0 gr of H-335 with a Hornady 150 gr will put 5 shots in under 1 1/4"@ 50 yds, and I have quite a bit of fine tuning to do yet.
I found shooting at 50 yards to be more accurate, but that's because of me.
If I can actually see the target, I shoot better. Who'da thunk :rolleyes:
 
svt1940 said:
+1 on the sniper clone. Look awesome, rugged mount and scope and iron sights available on the go:)
Jocelyn
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I ahve been playing around with the idea of buying a sniper "repro" but wasn't too sure about the scopes reliability. I see from your experience that its proven itself but is your use limited to range use only? I know the scope is mil spec but its a repro. Any one have some feedback?

Thanks. Steve.
 
stevejones said:
I ahve been playing around with the idea of buying a sniper "repro" but wasn't too sure about the scopes reliability. I see from your experience that its proven itself but is your use limited to range use only? I know the scope is mil spec but its a repro. Any one have some feedback?

Thanks. Steve.
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I didn't have chance to shoot my sniper clone yet. The mount and scope i have on it are repro from ukraine,perfect repro,all machined steel,built like the old day. Upon close inspection, we can see that thoses are of very good quality,all is tight and turrets move smoothly,glass are good enough. I will probably dont hunt much with for the simple reason that i never have time to go hunting because of work. I must wait spring to finally adjust the scope but i dont worry about outing in rain,snow,cold or whatever climate. I did put the scope outside in the cold and then getting it inside to see if would fog inside the tube and no, the scope pass the test well,i also did that 1 week ago with my pu svt scope,original 1941 dated and didn't fog either. As a side note, the repro and mount from Westrifle are made in russia and i only heard positive feedbacks about them. Some repro from other manufacture(possibly china) are not so good from what i read on gunboard forum. Check the review below:)
Jocelyn
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=428608&highlight=sniper+review
 
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Goodship Athabaskan said:
One thing I'll ask though. I'm hearing lots of recommendations for the PU setup over going with a modern mount and scope setup. Is this mostly just esthetics? Running the numbers quick it doesn't look to be much cheaper going at it that way....
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From what i heard, most repro sniper are selected with nice bore(at least mine is excellent but didnt have chance to shoot it yet),the mounts are well installed,sturdy same for the scope. Also, original sights can still be used so another good point. If bore are nice with a nice crown, no reason to not shoot well. May seems costly buying a repro sniper but pu setup is sturdy. Check review below.
Jocelyn



http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=428608&highlight=sniper+review
 
svt1940 said:
From what i heard, most repro sniper are selected with nice bore(at least mine is excellent but didnt have chance to shoot it yet),the mounts are well installed,sturdy same for the scope. Also, original sights can still be used so another good point. If bore are nice with a nice crown, no reason to not shoot well. May seems costly buying a repro sniper but pu setup is sturdy. Check review below.
Jocelyn



http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=428608&highlight=sniper+review
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Right on. Thanks for the reply SVT40. I picked up a box of MFS 203 grain sp ammo today and I'll take my new Mosin out for the first time. The MFS is made in Germany and I think its non-corrosive. The cases are nickle washed and steel(?). Can this stuff be re-loaded?

Cheers, Steve.
 
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