Mosin recoil...just me?
- Thread starter Ed Smurf
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That is very true.That steel plate a lot of times is really badly fitted in the first place.Sharp edges don't help either.
Nobody ever said MN was designed with comfort in mind
Well,maybe THE very first versions like this:
surplusshooter
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I regularly shoot my stock mosin with a tshirt in the summer. If I bring it out it gets at least 50 rounds by me and another 50 by buddy's that I am introducing to the sport. I think either you are holding the rifle wrong, or and I am not trying to be a #### here, rude or insensitive, I don't know you or any of the physical issues related to past injuries/ arthritis you have, the gun may be too heavy or long of a stock for your frame, with the LOP making it worse. that being said I did find the above comments entertaining- especially the tryactin link.
Also the LOP is due to the fact it is very cold in Russia- so they have thick jackets that provide more LOP
Also the LOP is due to the fact it is very cold in Russia- so they have thick jackets that provide more LOP
surplusshooter
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you are shouldering your gun wrong- should be on shoulder not bicep, unless it is a classic stocked rifle with the longer LOP and crescent but plate. Also having a proper cheek weld to the stock will help the recoil seem more manageable.
There's nothing wrong with wearing a PAST or similar thing. One thing you want to avoid is a flinching habit, and if a pad and ear defenders help that's a good thing. I've spent time on the range beside guys who couldn't hit a pie plate @ 100 yds with their uppty-ump magnums and the reason was flinching. If you want to check for flinching try dry firing a few times and watch your sight picture. Better still, have someone pass you a cocked rifle which may or may not be loaded, and then sight it and pull the trigger. There shouldn't be any muzzle whip or sight picture shift when you squeeze off on an empty chamber.
Stock design has a lot to do with it and one of the worst offenders is the original M1903 Springfield straight grip stock. It has an incredibly short pull and I often wondered if they designed it for a race of dwarves. When I started shooting them prone many moons ago I put my thumb across the top of the grip per SOP. After getting bopped in the snout with my thumb knuckle a few times I learned to keep the thumb parallel to the grip instead of across it.
Stock design has a lot to do with it and one of the worst offenders is the original M1903 Springfield straight grip stock. It has an incredibly short pull and I often wondered if they designed it for a race of dwarves. When I started shooting them prone many moons ago I put my thumb across the top of the grip per SOP. After getting bopped in the snout with my thumb knuckle a few times I learned to keep the thumb parallel to the grip instead of across it.
I think you mean the other way around.
I have arthritis. And I'm not being smug. If the mosin's recoil is too much for you, you're pretty much going to hate any/all milsurp rifle calibers other than intermediate rounds like 7.62x39.
I'd be the mortgage if I saw you shooting, I would find things to criticize about how you are holding your rifle. the recoil should not be as you describe.
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justinb1981
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I have an M44 that I find has slightly less recoil than my buddy's 91/30. I find both are quite enjoyable to shoot but everyone handles recoil differently. Try a recoil pad. If you're on the tall side it'll help with the LOP too
surplusshooter
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no, pretty sure I am not- some traditional rifles/ muzzloaders were made to be shot with the buttstock at the crook of the elbow to help balance the weight of the barrel- however I have no idea to what degree these are still made. in original posted pic bruising was in the center of the bicep- should be on the shoulder
Proper prone technique, as it used to be taught before .223 became the norm, involved the body lying between 30 and 45 degrees to the rifle's bore axis so that the upper body should flex backward when firing.
For a righty, it would look like this:
...I
...I
. /
/
Where the I's are your gun and the / marks are your body.
These days, the AR guys lie in line with the bore, which is fine. But try that with a full bore battle rifle and you're in for a sore shoulder, no doubt.
I would favour the theory that bench shooting is the least ergonomic stance for any shooter from a felt recoil perspective. Because it's the most accurate way to shoot many people jump to this without being extra careful about placement of the butt on the edge of the pectoral muscle, below the collar bone and not on the biceps muscle.
Felt recoil is a subjective thing. I had a pal with a .458 Win Mag built on a Springfield action. He used to shoot it off hand, plinking at targets from 25 to 100 yds. He was slightly built and I never once saw him flinch. I asked him about recoil and he said the rifle was stocked for him and he found it kicked less than a lightweight .30-'06 another guy had. Recoil (or perceived recoil) with that rifle was vicious!
I've got a very nice Springfield '03 and a Garand. When I first got the Garand, I was convinced that it kicked more than the '03. I've since learned otherwise and attribute my first impression to my hold. Now I find the Garand to be one of the most easy shooting rifles I own.
There isn't an '03 shooter alive who hasn't learned where to position his thumb when shooting an '03. Despite this, the Americans have done some incredible shooting with it.
"Adapt & overcome".
I've got a very nice Springfield '03 and a Garand. When I first got the Garand, I was convinced that it kicked more than the '03. I've since learned otherwise and attribute my first impression to my hold. Now I find the Garand to be one of the most easy shooting rifles I own.
There isn't an '03 shooter alive who hasn't learned where to position his thumb when shooting an '03. Despite this, the Americans have done some incredible shooting with it.
"Adapt & overcome".
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B003C6VTZY
It's ugly but will slip over the butt stock perfectly and it's cheap. Small size.
Wow, some cranky people out there. A legit issue and I too have wonky shoulders but shoot a Mosin sniper from the bench with no issues if I use a limbsaver slip on pad. The point about holding it firmly against your shoulder and leaning in is also helpful as I have done that without the pad and it's fine. I enjoy shooting theses rifles as they are a part of history, same with 8mm German rounds as they have some oomph to them as well. I have never tried a shoulder type pad but that may work for you as well and be useful for other rifles.
Yes a few cranky know it alls around here. I have the mosin , Lee Enfield and the K98.. I fire from a bench at the range. Haven't fired them in other positions so I can't comment on that. I will be getting a slip-on pad soon so I will see if it improves the situation. Thanks for all the useful comments, the others I will ignore.
What is that like a mosin reach around?
