Mosin supply?

westrifle_sks said:
I remember your emails going back and forth with me. I offered a refund, because of late inspection you wanted me to pay. I gave you am option and you decided to give it to some kid. I am sorry that this happened. Sergey has a block on his emails unless you become friend with him he will not accept PM. He had a problem where one member was sending him PM everyday about different items and he is not always here

Al
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Al I remember you only offered me partial refund. If you recall the gun was $211.00 to my door (includes shipping and taxes). You wanted me to pay the $30.00 to ship it back and you were going to only give me the cost of the gun back $150.00. Simply put, you guys are out nothing for sending me a rusty pitted bore rifle – your mistake in the first place as it was advertise on your site as “strong rifling”. I would be out of pocket $91.00 ($211.00 + $30.00 - $150.00 = $91.00 - not sure if you offered taxes back too) and I would have nothing to show for it. How is that fair:confused:?

Sorry Al you are hiding behind your 3 day inspection (I wasn’t even aware of it). The long and short of it is someone at Westrifle sent me a rusty, pitted bore with limited rifling in the muzzle. That was 50 years of rust and pitting not something that occurred over three days or a month. Nobody at Westrifle looked down that bore from the muzzle due to the rust and not from the chamber due to cosmoline filling it. The outside of the rifle is beautiful and it is a reflection of its production time 1942. If the rifling was as advertised it would have been an awesome deal and I would have been a happy Westrifle customer.
 
Muskyhunter1 said:
Al I remember you only offered me partial refund. If you recall the gun was $211.00 to my door (includes shipping and taxes). You wanted me to pay the $30.00 to ship it back and you were going to only give me the cost of the gun back $150.00. Simply put, you guys are out nothing for sending me a rusty pitted bore rifle – your mistake in the first place as it was advertise on your site as “strong rifling”. I would be out of pocket $91.00 ($211.00 + $30.00 - $150.00 = $91.00 - not sure if you offered taxes back too) and I would have nothing to show for it. How is that fair:confused:?

Sorry Al you are hiding behind your 3 day inspection (I wasn’t even aware of it). The long and short of it is someone at Westrifle sent me a rusty, pitted bore with limited rifling in the muzzle. That was 50 years of rust and pitting not something that occurred over three days or a month. Nobody at Westrifle looked down that bore from the muzzle due to the rust and not from the chamber due to cosmoline filling it. The outside of the rifle is beautiful and it is a reflection of its production time 1942. If the rifling was as advertised it would have been an awesome deal and I would have been a happy Westrifle customer.
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Unfortunatly, With online ordering (this has nothing to do with rifles or the companies on this thread or even in the forum, but my general experiance) when shipping back for a refund, shipping is not covered in the refund, shipping is your responsibility..... That has always been my take. I wish it were the other way around but found it to be the case with many suppliers. I've had stuff from hong kong I've kept because shipping back was more then the item was worth... I'd actually have lost more money by returning it. But that's not fault of the store. Now... a good store will honor their products and cover the shipping for a defective product.... I know I would..
 
I hear you Shaharov. I have always been nervous about ordering stuff from overseas because of that. I have spent a lot on money at a number of merchants on GNC. This is the first time I have been stung. They have all been great till now. Live and learn, make note and strike one off my list.
 
Muskyhunter1 said:
Al I remember you only offered me partial refund. If you recall the gun was $211.00 to my door (includes shipping and taxes). You wanted me to pay the $30.00 to ship it back and you were going to only give me the cost of the gun back $150.00. Simply put, you guys are out nothing for sending me a rusty pitted bore rifle – your mistake in the first place as it was advertise on your site as “strong rifling”. I would be out of pocket $91.00 ($211.00 + $30.00 - $150.00 = $91.00 - not sure if you offered taxes back too) and I would have nothing to show for it. How is that fair:confused:?

Sorry Al you are hiding behind your 3 day inspection (I wasn’t even aware of it). The long and short of it is someone at Westrifle sent me a rusty, pitted bore with limited rifling in the muzzle. That was 50 years of rust and pitting not something that occurred over three days or a month. Nobody at Westrifle looked down that bore from the muzzle due to the rust and not from the chamber due to cosmoline filling it. The outside of the rifle is beautiful and it is a reflection of its production time 1942. If the rifling was as advertised it would have been an awesome deal and I would have been a happy Westrifle customer.
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I had similar experience with these guys at west rifle.
Ignorance is their game. I got a call from their so called president saying Mosin Nagant does not have a safety and we can't open the action of the rifle I returned back to them. I had to explain to him how to un do the safety, even in russian he could not understand.
What a bunch of lost souls.
Needless to say i will not do business with them again.

g76
 
Muskyhunter1 said:
They do seem to be getting rare. A couple of months ago I bought a $150 cheap Mosin from Westrifle and they sent me one the bore was really rusted and heavily pitted. I think we are scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

Too bad I really like the Mosins.
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You send it back?
 
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Actions speak louder than words,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

The word quality? It is a very subjective statement. It is kind of a used car sales statement. How about slightly used - seasoned bores - lol

I can't comment about their SKS I don't know. Most do have chrome bores. Yup you are right live and learn and never buy from them again.
 
Ok slow down a bit just because you got the one bad rifle out of thousands and didn't check it out isn't a reason to give them a bad rep since if you had checked it out earlier they would have definitely sent you a new one or refund you. In the end you are the one responsible for not getting what you want.

Oh and 3 days to look over the gun is a lot considering most places don't take refunds or replace milsurps.
 
Wow.... I just want to say I have bought at least 2 mosins and 1, maybe more sks from westrifle. Like them all. I will buy again. Once upon a time I also bought a mosin from moreguns (Im sure some of you remember that moron) The rifle was a piece of crap, but for $100, I'm not gonna worry too much about it. What can you get for less than a couple hundred bucks anymore.... Sorry you got a crappy one, but hell, when beat up .22's seem to get $100 these days........
 
Here is my 2 cents on Milsurp rifles: They are used rifles. If you look hard enough you will find imperfections on every single one of them. They were in service, regreased, restored, repacked, and condition and duration of use usually un-known. If you want new and excellent condition, you have to put your money where your mouth is, its not coming your way for a couple hundred bucks or less.

Milsurp rifles are purchased in bulk batches, shipped in batches, and hopefully the batch of rifles is better than average condition. The onus and risk is NOT 100% of the importer, if it was, we would have no rifles at all. The buyer has to be fully aware that these are used rifles with uncertain conditions of prior use. If each rifle was required to be cleaned, inspected, and fired prior to sale, the price would be double. ANY PERIOD OF INSPECTION offered by the vendor is of good faith and business practice. If you want perfect rifles, you should not waive this option.


Having said all of the above, my first Mosin from Westrifle was beautiful to look at but my worst shooter. It could not put a group onto a paper 25 yards away. The bore was also pitted and over-sized. For forty two bucks I had a new crown cut onto the muzzle and my groups improved by half. I used heavy solvent on the bore to come out clean but the pitting was still present. The bore itself was large but had reasonable rifling when I slugged it. I over-sized the diameter of my home loads to .312 and this ugly bore is now my best shooter and has dropped deer every year since. I own half a dozen more Mosins, and another dozen came across my shooting bench. The fore-mentioned is absolutely my best shooter.

Moral of the story: Don't judge a gun by the look of its bore.


I have a half dozen rifles unfired, still sitting in grease from previous purchases. Three of them are from Westrifle. If there is any problem with them, its 100% my problem now. Am I concerned? NO, because I've been doing this for over forty years starting as a boy with my Father. When I'm done, they will all fire, and they will all fire well. I was fully aware of what I was buying and what were the risks. I won't be phoning Al with my problems because I forgot to inspect the rifle.



I made this statement in general and not directing to anyone individuals above or otherwise.
 
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Well said Fiddler. Try to buy a rifle for $100 anywhere (if you can) and see what you get. I know it is dissapointing to get a lemon but you bought a 70 year old war weary wall hanger.
 
Muskyhunter1 said:
Sergey - I did not get offered a full refund. Sorry I tried to send you a private reply to this post but it wouldn't accept it.

I talked at length to Al by email and he offered me a partial refund for the cost of rifle only because I didn't inspect the bore within 3 days of receipt - true and my mistake. I wasn't aware this was your policy.

Based on the look of the exterior, the ad on your website saying the rifling was good, your reputation for quality and my life being really busy I just put it in the safe - my mistake again. The chamber was full (solid) of cosmoline and some in the muzzle (turned out to be rust), so I could not see down the bore clear. Sorry my friend, there is no way someone looked down the bore to inspect it. It must have slipped thru the inspection cracks.

A month later I went to clean the bore and was shocked. I sent you folks and email right away before I ever fired it and was told to fire it. I have scrubbed it and fired 100 rounds and is what it is -rusty and pitted near the muzzle.

If I accepted the partial refund I would be out of pocket about $60.00 shipping on a $150.00 rifle ($211.00 to my door) and nothing to show for it. It just didn't make sense.

Ono of the other members said he has bought 40 plus rifles from you guys and never had a problem. Well I bought my first rifle from you and it must have been the 41st in the rack - lucky for him.

Sorry Sergey I am just being honest. I own a number of milsurp Mosin rifles and I am not new to this game. At the end of the day Westrifle sold me a pitted, rusty bore rifle. I have spent my ammo, time and energy trying to make it better. I am not happy with it. It is rusty and pitted at the muzzle and I refuse to sell to anyone on the forum because it wouldn't be right.
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Musky; I may be going against the grain here, but Thanks for your appraisal. Appreciated and noted.
 
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