mosins all dried up?

Why on earth is Westrifle charging $700 for a nugget? I get that the importer stopped bringing them into canada but surely that price is ludicrous.

Hex receiver Mosins have always commanded a bit of a premium. Ones built on surplus receivers from the original Mosin 91 runs (hence the couple he has listed with the 20's date stamp) moreso.

Not sure they're $700+ rare, but, whatever. He'll charge whatever the market can bear, and does a good job of staying in business. Sergei never mis-represents what he's selling. You know the rifle you're getting is the one he's described, and that's worth a bit of a premium in and of itself.
 
The last time I looked Lever Arms in Vancouver had Hex receiver Mosins in very good condition for $25. Of course, the last time I looked was 1985.
 
I think we past another era of milsurplus. I don't see any surplus coming to US or Canada. Last batch of Mosin Nagant that came to US couple of months ago was "Ukrainian civilian market rifles". They basically bough off what was available for retail in Ukraine. That's sad. We are down to second-hand marked. Prices go up and I feel bad for new collectors - it's getting harder and harder to get into the game. About 5 years ago you could have started budget collection with $100-150 Mosin Nagant and grab SVT-40 for $200-250.
 
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I think we past another era of milsurplus. I don't see any surplus coming to US or Canada. Last batch of Mosin Nagant that came to US was "Ukrainian civilian market rifles". That's sad. We are basically down to second-hand marked. Prices go up and I feel bad for new collectors - it's getting harder and harder to get into the game. About 5 years ago you could have started budget collection with $100-150 Mosin Nagant and grab SVT-40 for $200-250.

Very true sadly.

Hell M1 garands in good shape were 500 dollar guns before the show Band Of Brothers came out 10 years ago and every 20 year old with a credit card wanted one lol
 
Not that I'd personally mind a Ukie mosin, I don't think it quite counts a 'milsurp' if it's a "civilian market rifle".
As grim as this sounds, it seems like people who are starting now need to wait for the older collectors to sell off the collection or die...
 
Not that I'd personally mind a Ukie mosin, I don't think it quite counts a 'milsurp' if it's a "civilian market rifle".

There's difference between proper exports from Ukraine and new "Ukrainian civilian market rifles" that showed up in US. All items that came from Ukraine and arrived to Canada so far were in intact (except pinning of magazines) condition, exactly as they were left to be stored in 1960x-1970x. I.e. no export and imports markings, no modifications. Now this new batch that arrived to US has "Made in Ukraine" marking on magazine, one more on rear sight base and rear sight leaf pinned to 300 meters - Ukrainian civilian market regulations. Former came from army and/or state reserve directly and latter came from same source but had been prepped for local civilian market sale but bought off by US company and exported. Thank God we don't have those abominations... yet.
 
In 2011 I bought a Mosin for $105, SVT-40 for $295, AG-42 $250 shipped and K-31 for $300.

Powder was $28 a pound too.

I'm really bitter over pricing now a days. I'm out of the milsurp market. I can see Mosin prices rising as supply dries up, but a rifle like the AG-42 has not been imported in decades. Supply constant since the 90s. Why have prices gone up much?
 
As someone relatively new to the collection game, I agree that the prices are getting ridiculous. Had to pass on some like the K-31 a few years ago because at the time I couldn't afford it. After I had more capital to start growing the collection, all the prices went up - some by a few hundred percent. Surplus is a finite resource, and most of the time they're bought for collection purposes around here. Prices go up as less and less are available to buy and less are imported. #### sucks.
 
As someone relatively new to the collection game, I agree that the prices are getting ridiculous. Had to pass on some like the K-31 a few years ago because at the time I couldn't afford it. After I had more capital to start growing the collection, all the prices went up - some by a few hundred percent. Surplus is a finite resource, and most of the time they're bought for collection purposes around here. Prices go up as less and less are available to buy and less are imported. #### sucks.

For some reason, whenever a large batch of surplus hits our shores and are being sold at very reasonable prices, some people are under the impression the supply is endless. I've been doing this for well over 50 years and I've seen the cycle go round and round. I still remember the days when New in Grease No4 Lee Enfields were $5 each and if you wanted a clean one $6. If you wanted a "sporterized" model, $20.

Nobody wanted milsurps in their military guise. A US KRAG CARBINE sold at Marshall Wells for $15 in very decent condition and the store was making money on them. I remember a clerk telling me they were great rifles because you could shoot 303British in them as well as 30-40 Krag, so there was never going to be a problem finding cheap ammo. You know, he was right. The 303 case is close enough to shoot safely in the 30-40 chamber. The case fireforms to the chamber, accuracy isn't great but good enough for 100yd shots at Deer. I can attest to putting hundreds of rounds, likely closer to a couple of thousand through the one I had. Didn't make a bit of difference. I even reloaded the fireformed, Boxer primed cases with bullets that fit the bore later. Back then, you could either order from a catalog or if you were lucky a local gunshop would carry a good selection of 30 caliber bullets of different weights ranging from .308 to .315 diameters and each diameter in between. CIL made those bullets because back in the day, varying barrel diameters were the norm, especially milsurps. My Krag had a .312 bore.

I still get people coming to me at shows and looking at a $1200 DCRA converted to 7.62Nato in close to excellent condition get all snively because they purchased one of those from the factory, when they belonged to the DCRA for $250. UMMMM OK, see if you can get one built for that now. $250 wouldn't cover the cost of the stock, let alone the rest of the rifle components and the work on top of that.

Even at today's seemingly inflated prices, many of the old war horses are very good buys.

If you're looking for a CHEAP rifle to hunt Deer with, for goodness sake, buy one of those bargain Savage/Remingtons. They will likely shoot better, be a heck of a lot easier to carry and may even come with a decent for the purpose scope for less than $400, taxes in.

I'm on the other end of the market these days. My shooting days are getting fewer as are my hunting days, so I'm slowly parting with my collection. I hate doing it but?????????

The reason I mentioned this is because people like myself, divesting themselves of their collections, due to aging consequences are likely going to be the only source for the items many covet today.

As far as prices go, If we can stop this Liberal nonsense, the collectible firearms you purchase today may be some of the best investments you've ever made.

Not all of us are blessed with good wages/benefits. It seems that minimum wage for everyone is the end game for the Liberals. That means many will never be able to afford to take these collectibles into their care for a while, let alone being able to afford to shoot them.


TURF THE LIBERALS IN 2019

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I saw it coming that's why I've got one safe dedicated solely to 91/30s, M38s, M44s, K31s, No1MK3s and SKS'...
 
Yeah one thing that's nice about a milsurp collection is that their value pretty much keeps rising over time, assuming they're kept in good condition. So for the owner that opts to sell them later on, that's great for them money-wise.

For the people like me getting in to the game... Not so much. I kick myself for not buying a K-31, SVT-40, etc when I saw them and had a chance, but passed on them due to needing to allocate the funds elsewhere at the time. It is what it is though, and I (and people like me in the same kind of position) gotta deal with it.
 
Yup and I remember SVT38/SVT40/AGb42B rifles, in the grease with accessories for under $60 and those were the best ones ever available.

Time moves on, waiting for it to backtrack is an effort in futility.

This stuff eventually dries up.

The Mosins were late coming onto the market so they're the last to dry up. There may be a few caches of them out there but there is also a very good chance we will never see them on the civilian market.

The US was purchasing a lot of arms that were going to be surplussed when Obama was ruling the empire. I believe everything they purchased went to the smelters.

It's rumored the CIA was purchasing and dispensing more combloc ammo off the surplus market than was available for a while. Canada couldn't get surplus for their use in the middle east so they commissioned new ammo for the use of their allies there.

It all dries up sooner or later. The same thing will happen when the US converts to a different cartridge and likely a new weapons platform to replace the AR. Other nations will follow suit because they have to.

I can remember people getting into heated discussion over going away from the 7.62Nato. The UK wanted their own 7mm cartridge on their EM2. The US won over because they supplied so many different nations with the weapons of US choice and most had no other option other than combloc weapons/ammo.

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Replacement parts aren't even that easy to find now either, I was trying to replace a bolt head and extractor for a mosin.

I literally looked everywhere, no luck finding anything in Canada, at least for me, I had to buy it state side.
 
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