Mossberg 25 round mag... help me settle an argument !

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Hey everyone.

My friend just bought a 702 plinkster, "M4 clone" 22LR rifle from another friend. It came with a 25 round mag..... which the seller said for sure was prohibited. I called wolverine supplies which has 25 and 30 round mags for sale... they said the mags were good to go.

Does anyone have a reference etc on this to put my friends mind at ease?


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SKinnadoor
 
skinnadoor said:
.... which the seller said for sure was prohibited
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Against forum rules to discuss illegal dealings. If you're purchasing prohibited goods please don't shout it out to the world. If you feel you need prohib items, keep it to yourself.

The real answer should be - call law enforcement to turn in the magazine and the seller
 
GeoShooter said:
Against forum rules to discuss illegal dealings. If you're purchasing prohibited goods please don't shout it out to the world. If you feel you need prohib items, keep it to yourself.

The real answer should be - call law enforcement to turn in the magazine and the seller
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WTF?...because a seller says it's prohibited you are berating the OP for asking a question? Loosen that screw a bit dude.

OP...25 rounder for the 702 is good to go.

PS...don't argue with people about stuff like that. Encourage him to do his research...if that isn't good enough, he can stop using it.
 
You are good to use the 25 round magazine as there is no limits for a rim fired rifle magazine . I have one for my mossberg tacticall .22 that holds 25 rounds

"There is no limit to the magazine capacity for semi-automatic rim-fire long guns, or for other long guns that are not semi-automatics, with some exceptions. See also Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72, Maximum Permitted Magazine Capacity. http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/index-eng.htm#a6
 
There is a limit when a handgun shares the same mag such as the case with the mossberg 715t

Op has said 702 plinkster and m4 clone. Even though the same basic rifle they have different names and stocks. The hi capacity 715t mags are prohibited. They make a hi capacity mag for the standard 702 which does not fit in the 715t. It's much narrower that one is fine. The answer depends on which actual gun he bought.
 
I went to a gun shop to buy some powder. I saw the Mossberg 702 Plinkster 25 round magazine on their display. I was told in a different store that they couldn't get them because they were illegal. So, I was interested in buying one, but the owner of the shop said that he couldn't sell them because they were deemed prohibited and had to send them back. The reason was that they could fit into a certain pistol, and that they could only be 10 rounds.
Now, I actually own one magazine and wanted a 2nd one, but I am concerned that this is the 2nd time I have been told they were prohibited by 2 different guns stores. Both these stores are well established long term suppliers.
So, I have a tendency to believe the gun shops because they would be charged if they were caught selling illegal product.
There are 2 different opinions being suggested here; 1st - they are good to go so keep using it. 2nd - Gun shops are sending them back because they can't sell them because they are deemed prohibited. They wouldn't send them back unless there was good reason, as well, I personally have never seen a bulletin suggesting they are prohibited.
I know there are some stores still selling them, as well as others that will not. Too much confusion here. So I suggest that we all should do our research to find out if the magazines are actually are illegal. If you are caught and they are illegal, you are in trouble.
 
If you look at the Mossberg website where they sell magazines you'll see that even Mossberg notes they're prohibited in Canada and the importer will exchange them for legal capacity magazines.

I'm sure it makes children safer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Found this on another site. They are illegal.

Good morning,

RCMP - Specialized Firearm Support Services (RCMP-SFSS) is the legal classification policy centre. I am authorized to speak on the subject of firearm legal classification issues on behalf of SFSS Section and the Canadian Firearms Program (CFP).

Let me identify myself and my job function to you. My name is William Etter. I hold the job position title of Chief Firearms Technologist, in the Specialized Firearms Support Services which is the technical authority in the subject area of assigning the applicable legal class to all firearms, devices and prohibited ammunition.

Your correspondence and the questions you posed to the Firearms Program have been forwarded to me to me for a response.

The Specialized Firearms Support Services Section is a component of the Firearms Investigative and Enforcement Services Directorate, RCMP - Canadian Firearms Program.

QUESTION
I have a question concerning the status of the 25 round magazine which is currently being sold with the Mossberg 715T semi auto 22 lr. carbine.
Recently Mossberg has introduced into the U.S.A. (only) at this point a 715P semi auto 22 lr. pistol which apparently uses the same 25 round magazines as the 715T.
My question is, since the 715P has not been introduced into Canada at this point does that make the current 25 round magazine for the 715T carbine prohibited?
Without anyone having a definitive answer to date, I would just like some clarification on the matter if possible.
Thank you for your time,

ANSWER

The Mossberg 715T firearm model is manufactured in both rifle and handgun configurations. The magazine is interchangeable between the two configurations and is considered a dual purpose handgun / rifle magazine and the more restrictive handgun cartridge capacity limit applies.

Because handguns are limited to a ten shot magazine capacity in accordance with the CC PART III, S. 84, Regulations PART 4 Para 3. (1) (b) "The Former Cartridge Magazine Control Regulations", this limits the magazine capacity for the dual purpose rifle / handgun cartidge magazine to ten (10) shots, despite the firearm being designed to use rim-fire ammunition.

The firm Mossberg consulted with RCMP-SFSS in 2010 & 2012 and were advised that the importation of a "handgun" version of the 715T into North America would complicate their business model due to cartridge magazine issues under Canadian Law. They viewed this outcome as counter-productive and discontinued development (by CBC in Brazil) of the handgun (restricted version) completely. It was reported by Mosberg that no examples were brought to North America. (FRT # 131172)

The matter lay fallow until late 2013 when there was further discussion at the corporate Mossberg HQ level and a decision was made to re-instate the plan and continue to market and sell the CBC Manufactured, Brand name Mossberg, Model 715P (Pistol) firearm and the 715T firearm.

It should be noted that the Mossberg 715T is nothing but a "Dress-up" tactical kit surrounding a Mossberg 702 Plinkster, implicating the same 25 shot cartridge magazine sold for use with the 702 Plinkster series of firearms.

Mossberg Sales and Marketing Branch were advised of this problem and the Canadian cartridge magazine implications well before manufacture and distribution of the 715P firearm took place in 2013. A Mossberg Corporate decision was made to proceed with the sales and marketing in North America of this "Pistol" in 2013.

SPECIFIC QUESTION

My question is, since the 715P has not been introduced into Canada at this point does that make the current 25 round magazine for the 715T carbine prohibited?

ANSWER

Yes. The 25 shot cartridge magazine for the entire family of Mossberg Mossberg Model -715T, Mossberg 715P (restricted) Handgun and Model 702 Plinkster series of firearms, must be reduced to not more than 10 shots of the kind or type for which the cartridge magazine was designed.
Mossberg is fully aware of these facts and have a work around solution (which was revealed to me) consisting of replacing all 25 shot cartridge magazines in the hands of Canadian owners with a ten (10) shot magazine. I cannot speak for Mossberg; however, they are aware of the problem and have a contingency plan.
For further information from the appropriate authority on Mossberg’s “plan” to replace cartridge magazines, contact your Mossberg stocking dealer.

I hope this helps.

William Etter

William (Bill) Etter
Chief Firearms Technologist
Specialized Firearms Support Services
Firearms Investigative & Enforcement Services Directorate
RCMP - CFP
Specialized Policing Service
 
okay... lets get some pictures to help out on this, because I have a feeling people arent understanding what they're talking about

702 Plinkster:
mossberg_plinkster_d1.jpg


715T
10866-DEFAULT-l.jpg


702 Plinkster 25 round magazine
150893.jpg


715T 25 round magazine
598891.jpg


The 702 magazine DOES NOT FIT the 715P.
Again, pictures are helpful... so those who dont know what the 715P is, its basically a 715T with the buttstock chopped off, and a little shorter.
Mossberg-715P.jpg


The reason it does not fit is the plastic "magazine well". It requires the 715T/P Magazine with the long neck/body to be able to reach into the gun to be able to chamber rounds.

The 702 Plinkster uses just a basic stock. This means it can take just the plain jane little necked magazine - which again, cannot fit the 715T due to it requiring the long one.

So in conclusion;
715T/P 25 round magazine = prohibited (unless pinned to 10)
702 Plinkster 25 round magazine = legal at 25 rounds
 
Airbob10 said:
Found this on another site. They are illegal.

Good morning,

RCMP - Specialized Firearm Support Services (RCMP-SFSS) is the legal classification policy centre. I am authorized to speak on the subject of firearm legal classification issues on behalf of SFSS Section and the Canadian Firearms Program (CFP).

Let me identify myself and my job function to you. My name is William Etter. I hold the job position title of Chief Firearms Technologist, in the Specialized Firearms Support Services which is the technical authority in the subject area of assigning the applicable legal class to all firearms, devices and prohibited ammunition.

Your correspondence and the questions you posed to the Firearms Program have been forwarded to me to me for a response.

The Specialized Firearms Support Services Section is a component of the Firearms Investigative and Enforcement Services Directorate, RCMP - Canadian Firearms Program.

QUESTION
I have a question concerning the status of the 25 round magazine which is currently being sold with the Mossberg 715T semi auto 22 lr. carbine.
Recently Mossberg has introduced into the U.S.A. (only) at this point a 715P semi auto 22 lr. pistol which apparently uses the same 25 round magazines as the 715T.
My question is, since the 715P has not been introduced into Canada at this point does that make the current 25 round magazine for the 715T carbine prohibited?
Without anyone having a definitive answer to date, I would just like some clarification on the matter if possible.
Thank you for your time,

ANSWER

The Mossberg 715T firearm model is manufactured in both rifle and handgun configurations. The magazine is interchangeable between the two configurations and is considered a dual purpose handgun / rifle magazine and the more restrictive handgun cartridge capacity limit applies.

Because handguns are limited to a ten shot magazine capacity in accordance with the CC PART III, S. 84, Regulations PART 4 Para 3. (1) (b) "The Former Cartridge Magazine Control Regulations", this limits the magazine capacity for the dual purpose rifle / handgun cartidge magazine to ten (10) shots, despite the firearm being designed to use rim-fire ammunition.

The firm Mossberg consulted with RCMP-SFSS in 2010 & 2012 and were advised that the importation of a "handgun" version of the 715T into North America would complicate their business model due to cartridge magazine issues under Canadian Law. They viewed this outcome as counter-productive and discontinued development (by CBC in Brazil) of the handgun (restricted version) completely. It was reported by Mosberg that no examples were brought to North America. (FRT # 131172)

The matter lay fallow until late 2013 when there was further discussion at the corporate Mossberg HQ level and a decision was made to re-instate the plan and continue to market and sell the CBC Manufactured, Brand name Mossberg, Model 715P (Pistol) firearm and the 715T firearm.

It should be noted that the Mossberg 715T is nothing but a "Dress-up" tactical kit surrounding a Mossberg 702 Plinkster, implicating the same 25 shot cartridge magazine sold for use with the 702 Plinkster series of firearms.

Mossberg Sales and Marketing Branch were advised of this problem and the Canadian cartridge magazine implications well before manufacture and distribution of the 715P firearm took place in 2013. A Mossberg Corporate decision was made to proceed with the sales and marketing in North America of this "Pistol" in 2013.

SPECIFIC QUESTION

My question is, since the 715P has not been introduced into Canada at this point does that make the current 25 round magazine for the 715T carbine prohibited?

ANSWER

Yes. The 25 shot cartridge magazine for the entire family of Mossberg Mossberg Model -715T, Mossberg 715P (restricted) Handgun and Model 702 Plinkster series of firearms, must be reduced to not more than 10 shots of the kind or type for which the cartridge magazine was designed.
Mossberg is fully aware of these facts and have a work around solution (which was revealed to me) consisting of replacing all 25 shot cartridge magazines in the hands of Canadian owners with a ten (10) shot magazine. I cannot speak for Mossberg; however, they are aware of the problem and have a contingency plan.
For further information from the appropriate authority on Mossberg’s “plan” to replace cartridge magazines, contact your Mossberg stocking dealer.

I hope this helps.

William Etter

William (Bill) Etter
Chief Firearms Technologist
Specialized Firearms Support Services
Firearms Investigative & Enforcement Services Directorate
RCMP - CFP
Specialized Policing Service
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You're giving the answer to the wrong question. The question is whether the 702 plinkster 25 round magazine is prohibited. It is different from the 715T 25 rounder.
There are actually 715P in Canada as well, so this was likely something that someone wrote for RCMP clarification right away.
Further clarification should have been given that the 715T MAGAZINE would need to be reduced to 10 shots. This magazine fits in all 3; 715T, 715P and 702 plinksters.
However, the 702 plinkster magazine ONLY fits the 702 plinkster.

702 PLINKSTER MAGAZINES ARE NOT ILLEGAL/PROHIBITED/ETC.
 
koesdibyo said:
okay... lets get some pictures to help out on this, because I have a feeling people arent understanding what they're talking about

702 Plinkster:
mossberg_plinkster_d1.jpg


715T
10866-DEFAULT-l.jpg


702 Plinkster 25 round magazine
150893.jpg


715T 25 round magazine
598891.jpg


The 702 magazine DOES NOT FIT the 715P.
Again, pictures are helpful... so those who dont know what the 715P is, its basically a 715T with the buttstock chopped off, and a little shorter.
Mossberg-715P.jpg


The reason it does not fit is the plastic "magazine well". It requires the 715T/P Magazine with the long neck/body to be able to reach into the gun to be able to chamber rounds.

The 702 Plinkster uses just a basic stock. This means it can take just the plain jane little necked magazine - which again, cannot fit the 715T due to it requiring the long one.

So in conclusion;
715T/P 25 round magazine = prohibited (unless pinned to 10)
702 Plinkster 25 round magazine = legal at 25 rounds
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Oh please say it isnt soooooo!
I was correct with my answer about 715t mags.
blasphemy
Guess am not as trollish as some have stated.
 
Again it comes down to which gun the op is referring to. 702 plinkster and m4 clone are both mentioned. The mags for the 715t fit both and the pistol. The mags for the 702 plinkster fit only the 702 plinkster
 
Funny...these mags are everywhere in Canada. I had one before I sold my 715T. Why is this so confused. These mag laws are so simple. Arent they? Makes sense why the ruger 10/22 25 rounders are prohibited because they fit the ruger hand gun but yet the Butler creek 10/22 25 round mags which fit the same handgun are not.
Can you explain this to us Bill Etter? Will we be locking up law abiding citizens for not being clear on the rcmp's logic. Should the Mossberg mag be specifically mentioned as prohibited as the ruger bx-25 mag is?
 
Interchangeability isnt the issue, its what the magazine was DESIGNED and MARKETED for. The BX25 mags are illegal because they say on the package that are to used in 10/22 rifles, AND pistols. Buttler creek mags only say for 10/22 rifles. So, BX25 is technically a pistol mag, while the buttler creek mags are rifle mags. Doesnt matter if they are identical.
Same should apply to the Mossberg.
 
Correct, just like the lar mags.
The point I make is everyone said I was a troll for saying the 715t mags need to be pinned.
Seems to me those who called me names are now saying what I said all along.
hypocrites
 
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