Mossberg 930 guys please help...

cbabes said:
I have seen only three Hatsans at matches and they all turned from semi into pump due to the need to clear a jam after every round. No joke all three had the same issue. Plus you cannot ghost load them. In my opinion they are a poor choice for matches.
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REALLY ? I didnt know that at all ?
Mine seems to keep working when I use mine on timed runs.
Are you sure ? Mines at 6000k count ...

Maybe mine is just a fluke - yea probably it is only at 6000 + & I beat the snot out of it. LOL. I had less break in time with this than I did with the M4 or the 930 - I know cause I own all these brands.

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Ohh maybe you mean it jams when its tube is emptied in less than 1 sec?

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Thats 00.8 of a sec. 5 rounds.
Maybe it doesnt empty fast enough ?

Who cares if it cant ghost load ? Good luck ghost loading when a timer is ticking...

well OK there was a problem with it.. the picatinny rails needs to be locked tight sealed ( red LocTite) if one uses a bulky 40mm dot sight like i do.
 
Jamie said:
oh do tell?
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It jammed so much that at the end of the match he said he was done with it.

sendmorebrains said:
REALLY ? I didnt know that at all ?
Mine seems to keep working when I use mine on timed runs.
Are you sure ? Mines at 6000k count ...

Maybe mine is just a fluke - yea probably it is only at 6000 + & I beat the snot out of it. LOL. I had less break in time with this than I did with the M4 or the 930 - I know cause I own all these brands.

[youtube]?v=mfHBaYRzgxo[/youtube]

Ohh maybe you mean it jams when its tube is emptied in less than 1 sec?

[youtube]?v=NdTWvC0AC_0&feature[/youtube]

Thats 00.8 of a sec. 5 rounds.
Maybe it doesnt empty fast enough ?

Who cares if it cant ghost load ? Good luck ghost loading when a timer is ticking...

well OK there was a problem with it.. the picatinny rails needs to be locked tight sealed ( red LocTite) if one uses a bulky 40mm dot sight like i do.
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I can understand you are being defensive. Hey I only seen three so it definitely can't be used as concrete data just my opinion. The fact that you cannot ghost load with it takes one precious round away from you at competition so that is enough for me right there. Most of the time you start a stage fully loaded, that is when the timer is not used for the ghost load. Let's say you have a 6-8 stage match that you can start fully loaded. That's 6-8 rounds you lose out on. Anyway let's agree to disagree. Have fun with your Hatsan. Looks like a fun shotgun.
 
cbabes said:
Interesting. I can't really argue about the 930 as all the reliable ones I have witnessed at matches may be before the 3000-5000 round mark. The 590A1's on the other hand are just tanks. I have 5,000 through one of mine easily. Probably more. It hasn't had a hiccup. I will use my 930 until it fails me. Do you have a recommendation for a tough long lasting reliable semi?
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The Beretta 300 series are about as reliable and long lasting as a semi-auto gets. Many examples have seen +60 000rds before being retired. The older Browning Gold is a great choice too. The Browning Silver and Winchester SX2/SX3 are slightly better though, due to the one piece shell carrier vs the 2 piece design of the Gold. The Browning Maxus, being an improved version of the Gold/Silver, should be a reliable high round contender as well. The Benellis are great as well...just over-priced...new or used!

Be aware that if you are a fast shooter your trigger finger can out run the action speed of the Beretta and Benelli guns and cause malfunctions of its own. Despite the sales pitch they (Benelli) are but a milliseconds or two faster than the Remington 1100 and are actually slower cycling that the old Browning Auto-5!!! The Browning/Winchester Gold/Silver/Maxus/SX2/SX3 siblings are currently the fastest operating semi-autos available!

Jamie said:
got to ask......how many have you seen not make it to 3500rds? and why would you see them?
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I apologize if you felt insulted because you own a 930. But, they are what they are...a hunting gun for the average joe...not the high volume competitor! Sometimes reality can't be denied!

I don't like the Beretta or Beneilli shotguns for various reasons but even I can admit that they (the Beretta 300 series anyway) are without a doubt the longest lasting, most trouble free semi-auto shotguns available!

As for the Mossberg 930s I have seen...4 examples became single shots by 3500 (1 was mine) and 7 more between an estimated 4500-6000 rounds. Early production? Bad batch? I don't know. What I do know is that you get what you pay for...and sometimes you can also pay way too much for what you get (ie: Perazzi vs Ceasar Guerini or even Browning)!!! Why would I see them???...well I spend way too much time and $$$ at trap and sporting clays events, some registered some not.
 
oh i dont own one....yet

I shoot close to 3000rds a month ( pistol 1500 rds,rifle 800,shotgun 200 and 22lr 500) its good to have a sponsor buying my ammo I got to work on my shotgun skills more its my weak link
 
so i got one from SFRC bird gun style so school me lads i want a +2 0r +3 mag? who has mesa 8 rd sidesaddles? trigger job?
 
cbabes said:
It jammed so much that at the end of the match he said he was done with it.

I can understand you are being defensive. Hey I only seen three so it definitely can't be used as concrete data just my opinion. The fact that you cannot ghost load with it takes one precious round away from you at competition so that is enough for me right there. Most of the time you start a stage fully loaded, that is when the timer is not used for the ghost load. Let's say you have a 6-8 stage match that you can start fully loaded. That's 6-8 rounds you lose out on. Anyway let's agree to disagree. Have fun with your Hatsan. Looks like a fun shotgun.
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OK if he wants to sell it cheep I will consider purchasing it at a fire sale cost - since hes done with it.

Ghost loading will not matter when most multi stages are set up with reloading as part of the timed run average.
If theres something that will actually matter in a multi stage run - having a lock out button for the tube when a slug round is required on a mixed steel plate / paper run is far more practical and time saving.

There is a select few semis that have this: the 930 is not one of them where as the M4 and the MP-A is.

Even the most expensive semis require adjustment and or break in. IE: My Benelli M4 required a longer break in period than the 930. I had more FTEs with the M4 than the 930 due to ammo/gas combo(ARGO system). Does that mean that M4s are inferior even though they are 3X times the cost of a 930? LOL.

The MP-A has a double gate lifter system hence a re-loading procedure during a timed run is very different from a 930 or a M4. If one doesnt practice a different loading style one will end up getting lifter jams. Does this mean its not any good?

defensive you claim ? - actually just trying to be more informative and objective rather than being merely subjective.

And as you can see below I have no brand loyalty for 3gun events. I use a system and adapt to its limits.

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sendmorebrains said:
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OK if he wants to sell it cheep I will consider purchasing it at a fire sale cost - since hes done with it.

Ghost loading will not matter when most multi stages are set up with reloading as part of the timed run average.
If theres something that will actually matter in a multi stage run - having a lock out button for the tube when a slug round is required on a mixed steel plate / paper run is far more practical and time saving.

There is a select few semis that have this: the 930 is not one of them where as the M4 and the MP-A is.

Even the most expensive semis require adjustment and or break in. IE: My Benelli M4 required a longer break in period than the 930. I had more FTEs with the M4 than the 930 due to ammo/gas combo(ARGO system). Does that mean that M4s are inferior even though they are 3X times the cost of a 930? LOL.

The MP-A has a double gate lifter system hence a re-loading procedure during a timed run is very different from a 930 or a M4. If one doesnt practice a different loading style one will end up getting lifter jams. Does this mean its not any good?

defensive you claim ? - actually just trying to be more informative and objective rather than being merely subjective.

And as you can see below I have no brand loyalty for 3gun events. I use a system and adapt to its limits.

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sw2.jpg

DSC09733.jpg
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OK let's stop with who has a bigger pecker. I can post pics of more guns and different brands than that which I own and more expensive ones as well. :) I am open minded and am interested in this different loading procedure for the MPA. This is where all the Hatsan guys were getting real frustrated. How do you go about loading them differently?

The slug/birdshot thing in my honest opinion is still not as time saving as the ghost load. Most clubs in Ontario have stopped mixing slugs and birdshot in the same stage due to the large chance of a slug hitting steel. The last four or five matches I shot didn't do this and when I asked why it was per CFO recommendation.
 
Jamie said:
so i got one from SFRC bird gun style so school me lads i want a +2 0r +3 mag? who has mesa 8 rd sidesaddles? trigger job?
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I sent you an inbox. I forgot to mention the Nordic Components tube extensions are by far the best! They are not welded on either end so you have one nut on your mag tube which also screws into the tube extension and the end cap on the tube is also threaded. This way you can change just the length of tube if you like plus it's common for the welds to break on the cheaper extensions. Also they have diffent length end caps. I have ordered directly from Cactus Tactical in the US several different times. The 930 tubes/nuts fit on the 590s as well. I got a 3" extension at it goes flush with an 18.5" barrel. You have to permanently block it so the shotgun only holds five 3" shells.
 
Chris, I know you already have the 930 and I hope it works well for you, but if you decide to change up at some point, go with a Benelli M2.

As far as semi's are concerned, I will only use benelli in competition.

I bought my M2 used, so it already had rounds through it, and I have put close to 4,000 rounds through it myself in the two years I have had it.
Of those, I would say close to 1,000 rounds were on the clock in 3 gun/shotgun only matches in the US.
So were talking extended mag tubes and pulling the trigger as fast as I can get on target.

In those 4000 rounds, I have had one failure to feed, and it was ammo related, not the gun.
Other than that, it has gone bang every single time I have pulled the trigger.

If I'm going to spend the kind of money I have to spend to go to a major competition (entry fee, gas, hotel, time off work etc) then I have no issues spending a little more and know that my equipment will not be the deciding factor between my placing as well as I can, and coming in at the bottom of the pack.

Buy once, cry once.

I know guys who have bought two or three guns in the pursuit of the reliable and competitive gun.
There's a reason why the majority of the pros in 3 gun use the M2.

here's my M2. 3 day shotgun only event.
no cleaning or oiling after I started, full of dust, in 110 degree Kentucky heat.
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Paul thanks for sharing. That was awesome! You have always shot amazing at every match I have seen you at and it's not like you have been shooting for a long time. Frigging natural!!!
 
cbabes said:
OK let's stop with who has a bigger pecker. I can post pics of more guns and different brands than that which I own and more expensive ones as well. :) I am open minded and am interested in this different loading procedure for the MPA. This is where all the Hatsan guys were getting real frustrated. How do you go about loading them differently?

The slug/birdshot thing in my honest opinion is still not as time saving as the ghost load. Most clubs in Ontario have stopped mixing slugs and birdshot in the same stage due to the large chance of a slug hitting steel. The last four or five matches I shot didn't do this and when I asked why it was per CFO recommendation.
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Actually what you see is only my setup for 3gun. I have a far more extensive collection than this with other shooting disciplines.


As far as loading procedure for the MP-A - if u have 5mins, I made a vid a while back for 870P on CGN.

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As Ive wrote to him I will watch a movie(s) and have the MP-A with a handful of 12g snap caps and practice re angling the shell in thru the lift gates till I get muscle memory to my loading just for the MP-A. ie: no missing or torn finger nails, skin or shell jams.

I do this procedure with every & any type shotgun that I own the week before a match.. because IMO shotgun are the most difficult to learn & memorize loading procedures under a timer.
 
sendmorebrains said:
Actually what you see is only my setup for 3gun. I have a far more extensive collection than this with other shooting disciplines.


As far as loading procedure for the MP-A - if u have 5mins, I made a vid a while back for 870P on CGN.

[youtube]?v=RLMH_6qk0pA&feature=plcp[/youtube]

As Ive wrote to him I will watch a movie(s) and have the MP-A with a handful of 12g snap caps and practice re angling the shell in thru the lift gates till I get muscle memory to my loading just for the MP-A. ie: no missing or torn finger nails, skin or shell jams.

I do this procedure with every & any type shotgun that I own the week before a match.. because IMO shotgun are the most difficult to learn & memorize loading procedures under a timer.
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Great vid. Thanks!
 
as above!


talked to my gun smith he will cut down my barrel and add tubes to it after i get the mag extension on, add a hi viz sight/bead got to get a sidesaddle and cocking handle now
 
Thanks for the kind words Chris.


Never looked at a Hatsan before.
Interesting looking gun.
Seems to have a similar lifter design as the Remington 1100/1187.
With the Remingtons I've seen in competition, most guys seem to install the Dave's Metal Works Easyloader to get rid of the necessity to depress that small part of the lifter.
When on the clock, the less you have to do, the better

And on that note, an easy way to shave half second off your time, drop a shell on the lifter and then use the next shell to simultaneously load the chamber (hit the button with the shell) and load the first shell into the magazine, vs drop a shell on the lifter and then reach down to depress the button with your hand.
Fewer total movements required
 
pauls said:
And on that note, an easy way to shave half second off your time, drop a shell on the lifter and then use the next shell to simultaneously load the chamber (hit the button with the shell) and load the first shell into the magazine, vs drop a shell on the lifter and then reach down to depress the button with your hand.
Fewer total movements required
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Now that folks is pro tier GOLD advice.

Half a sec. is at least one third up higher on the shooting list at the end of the day.
 
Great vids pauls and good info sendmorebrains. The shotgun section is one of the few sub forums left here where you can always glean some very useful knowledge, thank you guys.

Even though I do have a 930 and love it to death, there are design limitations that keep it from being a GREAT shotgun (one of them being the forend, it does interfere with my loading technique abit since it sits lower than the receiver)

I have been using it for the local 3 gun events and while it has been trouble free against Benelli's and Remingtons shooting the same load, inside I am pining for an M2.

A few months ago, I finally saved up enough for a Benelli. Since there are few shotgun smiths locally, I decided to order a Benelli performance shop m2 3-gun edition. At the time there was a 4-5 month wait on these and I am still waiting.
 
My 930 has killed lots of geese and one bear. Never a ftf or fte. In fact it has never given me a minutes trouble. More than I can say for other "better" guns.
 
Are Mossberg 930's with short barrels (18") even available? I haven't seen them anywhere. I saw one pop up on the EE this morning but the mag tube mod done on it didn't do anything for me.
 
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