1963beretta
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Mossberg 935 Magnum
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1963beretta
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My 935 cycles Challenger 7/8oz dove loads no problem. Took it out on its first dove hunt today not one fte.
1 oz loads? shot hundreds no probs here, I am thinking of selling the gun to fund a 50bmg, maybe your friend should sell his and buy mine?
Maybe he does have one that doesn't like to cycle the loads but, I did talk to a guy online once and he said cleaning out his gas system really well helped him cycle light loads, not saying thats your friends problem as maybe its just the manufacturing of that specific gun that is the issue, maybe they changed things in production at a certain time.
1963beretta
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A 935 will never outperform a 10 gauge because it still has a 12 gauge chamber. HOWEVER, a 935 will provide you the closest performance of a 10g shotgun on a 12g platform. Not one of my beretta's, browning's, benelli's or franchi's will match my 935 on shot patterns or recoil. Its a turkey machine, a goose slayer and duck demolisher. T and BBB shot sizes are wicked on goose hunts. I've also had ridiculous patterns with buckshot. The larger shot sizes is really where the 935 shines IMO
1963beretta
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Yes..good point...glad you mentioned this. I did do some work to my gun when i first got it. I polished the inner gas block (where the gas cyl slinds in) with a dremel tool and rubbing compound. I also polished the chamber in the same manner. 15 mins worth of work got both to a mirror finish. Although i cant say this is why my gun cycles everything because i never shot it prior to the work. But when i tore apart the gun for its initial cleaning, I felt a polish was needed as i knew my higher end guns had mirror finishes in those areas.
I hunt 98% of the time now with a ten guage for geese and large ducks i only use reloads because factory loads for the 10 suck that being said the 935 for the price patterns about as good as any 12 or better i shot with alot of guys with the high end guns.Ive patterned both guns the 935 comes in 2nd on the board to the 10 hands down but i would use it on eiders there a half desent gun for the price as far as fireing 2 3/4 i could care aless cause i aint huntin partridge with it its to heavey.
Sure hope they do since the ones I have seen are high speed STEEL shot with lots of powder to cycle. Apples to oranges comparing them to 1oz lead target loads
1963beretta
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Im not sure you know which loads im talking about! The challenger 7/8 oz loads I used for dove hunts are NOT high speed steel games loads. They are the steel target loads rated at 1150 fps. The 1oz Winchester super target i use are 1200fps and my Winchester AA supersport are 1300fps. If that isnt light enough for you, then I hate to upset you further by telling you that my gun will also cycle 2 1/2 dram equivalent loads like the federal lite low recoil target shells rated for 1100 fps. If you can find my a lighter shell then that..please be my guest. But at this point, we'd be splitting hairs....or your apples and oranges
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Humm anywhere I shot doves it was legal to use lead shot so not up to speed on what steel people use now Regardless the steel you talk about maybe classed as target but are not equivalent to 7/8 lead target loads as far as pressures are concerned nor are they the Dove steel loads I have seen. In all honesty I could not care what your mossy will cycle since you modified it so it is not apples and apples with others
Upset me not in your life unless I was forced to give up all my current B guns or X1 2 &3's and have to own a mossy
To each their own
Cheers
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1963beretta
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We now have a dove hunt season in Ontario and the federal migratory games bird act states that non-toxic shot must be used. Doesnt make sense, but it is what it is. I guess we need to be thankful we have a season altogether.
As for the mossy, i stating a point. You commented numerous times to try 1oz loads "and see how you make out". There have been others beside myself who have said their 935 cycles 1 oz loads, whom havent worked on their guns, but you continue to say a 935 wont. If you want to compare apples to apples..and thats 3.5" guns to 3.5" guns....well here it is. My Beretta a400 has trouble cycling some 1oz loads, my browning silver will cycle just about anything, but it does not throw patterns like my 935, and my Benelli SBE cycles most loads, but also doesnt match shot patterns with my 935 and kicks like a donkey to boot. Im in no way saying that the 935 is the best gun of the bunch because if it were, i wouldnt own the others. But when it comes to turkey, duck and goose hunting, there is only one gun i grab. So i gues your right..the other guns are my "b" guns
Not about being right just sharing what I have seen and been told. In fact offered one on a trade last winter which was having cycling problems with 1 1/8 oz Perhaps later ones are better I have no idea
Prior to 2011 there was not even a mention of 2 3/4 rounds being used in any manual in fact guys were saying this
If your 935 is cycling light loads thats a sign that your recoil spring in your stock is getting weak. It will eventually bust your bolt buffer. Check to make sure the Blot buffer stays tight. When it loosens up and your smashing the bolt up againts it, its ganna bust. Been there done that. I had a 935 that eventually shot 2.75 loads, changed out the recoil spring per mossbergs advice and it would no longer cycle them
Since 2011 it states 935TM Models: are designed to fire 12 gauge 2 3/4" (1 1/4 oz Heavy Field minimum),
3" or 3 1/2" factory loaded cartridges only
Oh well in 3 1/2 semi 12ga since you brought it up I currently have two golds, two super x2, one super x3 one maxus and an a400 and all work 1oz lead target loads just fine
But when it comes to ducks and geese I grab one of my gold 10ga or if I know it is going to get full of dirt my sp10 and would put both of them against and 3 1/2 12ga any day not just mossy's
Many think the 3 1/2 12 ga is the bomb until they spend a day in a blind with a 10ga. Then they buy at least one normally. I know I did as far back as 92 and never looked back.
But again to each their own
Cheers
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1963beretta
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Fair enough! My 935 was manufactured in 2008...maybe earlier ones are more likely to have issues...not really sure. I will be the first to admit that the 935 isn't finely refined like the higher priced guns, hence why i felt the need to polish the chamber and gas block. It was an easy 15 min job so I didn't really mind. And I agree with you regarding 10g guns...no comparison. Actually the reason why i bought the 935 was because I was originally looking at getting a browning gold 10g since I loved my browning silver so much. But when I outweighed the costs of the gun and availability of ammo, I chose what i felt was the next best option. And although the 935 is not a 10g in chamber, Im extremely happy with how its worked out.
Back to the Browning's, I purchased my silver when they were first released and were about to replace the gold 12g line. I heard the Browning gold 12g and silvers are the same gun, just rebranded. Oddly enough, my Browning silver came factory fitted with a Browning gold barrel...Im guessing to clear out old parts inventory. Any clues?
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Why you say no black cloud and Remington sonic the pattern of shot what's your reason on that
1963beretta
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Blackcloud ammo is apparently not recommeded with the 935 because of the 10g overbored barrel. The reasoning is because of the wad used in blackcloud shells. Because the 935 has a 10g barrel, the wad pedals apparently partially deploy when traveling through the barrel and there is risk that it may remain lodged within causing an obstruction. I've shot blackcloud ammo out of mine without issue, but can say that they dont pattern nearly as well as any other ammo. Maybe this can be explained by the pre-mature wad pedal deployment..not quite sure. But based on its inferior patterns and possible obstruction risk, I stay away. I have had some success with regular Federal ammo as far as dropping geese so far this season, but I have not yet patterned it on paper. I'll guess that if geese are falling when I point the gun at them, the patterns must be good enough.
As for the remington Hypersonics, my personal experience is that i've found that a spent shell is slightly longer then 3.5" sometimes by up to 1/4". That extra length is enough to cause the shell to get caught during extraction causing frequent fte or stovepipes. Oddly enough, I havent exprienced this issue with standard Remington Sportsman. I purchased a few different boxes of the 3.5" hypersonics, and all had the same issue. Not sure why Remington shells are not uniform, but Im not going to bother figuring it out. 3" hypersonics work very well, and the reduced recoil of these hard hitting shells makes it more comfortable shooting in 3" anyway.
As far as 3.5" shells, i've had great results from any of the Winchester shells, Kents, Remington Sportsman and Federal waterfowl work great. Pattern differences between them (other then federal as i have put it on paper yet) wasnt much of note to choose one over the other. For this reason, I usually choose to save some cash and shoot the winchester xpert and now even the Federal waterfowl.
1963beretta
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Must be because its a newer gun..the older ones were only stamped 3" & 3.5". Clearly, they must have done something different to now stamp it on the gun. Could be something as simple as polishing the inner gas block and chamber as opposed to leaving it crudely finished. Either way, great gun!
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I bought my second 10 over the weekend, an H&R single. Patterning it at my cousin's workshop was ... impressive. Plus, it easily smashed through the concrete siding we were testing it on, and through the board behind.
My first 10, I only fired it once before I ran into problems in the blind. Never hunted with if after that (double barrel).
Having said that, I am pretty sure either an 835 or 935 is in my future someday. I do a lot of buckshot hunting for deer, and would love to see how the big barrel patterns. The last couple years I have also done more goose hunting. Almost all the ducks I shoot are eiders, oldsquaws or other sea ducks, or big northern blacks, or mallards. The blacks I shoot up close over decoys in my honey hole, but the sea ducks are all pass shooting and the mallards are usually long shots. The bigger shot would come in handy for all that action, for sure. I have been using a Winchester 1300 for years, but the forearm bars are too junky so I moved to a Baikal MP153, which is pretty reliable, but not what I ultimately want.
I'll have to keep my eyes open and save my nickels.
The black cloud site sells choke tubes for the 835 and 935 shotguns but don't mention this problem. It does state not to use slugs in the smooth bore barrel for the reasons you mentioned. h ttp://www.choketube.com/choke-tube-style-details.php?black-cloud-choke-tubes&cts=18
1963beretta
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Very interesting, but not sure what to tell you. Of course the slug issue is well known and clearly stated in the owners manual. The blackcloud issue was news to me when I came across the info on a forum on mossberg's website. As mentioned, i have used blackcloud ammo and didnt experience wad obstruction issues. But I did pattern the shells on paper after experiencing above average cripples then im used to. And what i personally discovered was an inferior shot pattern then all other shells that i use, and that was enough for me to stop using Blackcloud. Maybe blackcloud chokes are of a tighter constriction then lets say a standard modified choke. I only patterned my gun using the choke tube I hunt with which is a modified Kicks high flyer (extended and ported choke)
