there would still be nothing to hold it on...it's not a spline....it's knurled...to make it an interference fit without having to hold tight tolerances on either part.
Mossberg ATR Train wreck!
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there would still be nothing to hold it on...it's not a spline....it's knurled...to make it an interference fit without having to hold tight tolerances on either part.
Really? That's not cool at all.
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the wholesaler didn't make it, all defective merchandise almost never goes back to the Distributor.
FS
tedWell, the rifle isn't going back to the wholesaler. Dealer has to send it for warranty!
Can hardly believe this!
Ted
the wholesaler didn't make it, all defective merchandise almost never goes back to the Distributor.
FS
Should have said that they won't take back the unsold rifles!
I would think just the possible liability issue would be enough to want to get them out of the dealers' hands. Guess the warranty depot can test the bolts to see if they are silver soldered. That would make sense.
Ted
I would think just the possible liability issue would be enough to want to get them out of the dealers' hands. Guess the warranty depot can test the bolts to see if they are silver soldered. That would make sense.
Ted
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At first I thought..."Well atleast the Shroud and bolt body are mated via spline."...then 
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Just buy a Model 200...there Ugly, but they work better than that.
.Just buy a Model 200...there Ugly, but they work better than that.
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You ever owned a Cooey? Or a Lee? Chances are no, if you had you wouldn't be spouting on about how they are crap.
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BCWILL-"This happened to a Brand new rifle for 300 dollars ?.........go figure"
Not to pick on you in particular, but I have read other posters making similar comments on other threads.
Yes, quality comes at a price, but any product from toothbrushes to aircraft should be fit for purpose. The mossberg build quality does"nt even look safe, and they"re not alone. What is happenning to firearm manufacturers with the garbage they are spewing onto the market in the last few years?
I had looked at the mossberg ATR myself with a view to a cheap plinker(I shoot a lot of rounds in a year), but I won"t be buying one now.
I did bump into a student at the range who bought one because it was cheap and he"s on a budget. For $300, or whatever it cost, I would"nt be going to the olympics with it but it should at least work!
Not to pick on you in particular, but I have read other posters making similar comments on other threads.
Yes, quality comes at a price, but any product from toothbrushes to aircraft should be fit for purpose. The mossberg build quality does"nt even look safe, and they"re not alone. What is happenning to firearm manufacturers with the garbage they are spewing onto the market in the last few years?
I had looked at the mossberg ATR myself with a view to a cheap plinker(I shoot a lot of rounds in a year), but I won"t be buying one now.
I did bump into a student at the range who bought one because it was cheap and he"s on a budget. For $300, or whatever it cost, I would"nt be going to the olympics with it but it should at least work!
mike shickele
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I think that if that bolt is indicative of all 4X4's, then Mossberg had better revisit that rifle in the design studio. Unfortunately, I don't think that Mossberg is alone, or even rare in designing something that is prone to failure; it would seem to me that all companies are capable of letting something of this nature get to market. That is why I always wait a few years before buying something new, so all the other consumers can work out the bugs. I just bought a Mossberg 500 shotgun, and I did so because they have a reputation for being reliable as hell.
Mike
Mike
Mossberg bolt failure
This is no worse than my custom Prairie GunWorks where the bolt handle broke off from falling on the floor. Handle was threaded into the bolt with an integral thread that naturally broke off at the junction of the larger diameter.
This is no worse than my custom Prairie GunWorks where the bolt handle broke off from falling on the floor. Handle was threaded into the bolt with an integral thread that naturally broke off at the junction of the larger diameter.
I have used older Mossberg rifles that work just fine and are built like tanks.
I would dearly love to get my hands on an 800M in .308...
I own two of their .22's a 42M & 151M and I know their out of the box performance will still out-shoot what is being sold today.
Also I have Lee dies for several cartridge types that work flawlessly.
From looking at the pictures it is a shame to see this American Gun company heading the direction as the American Auto industry in quality control, and design. I'd be interested in hearing what the company says about it and how they handle the situation.
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Let me guess, is everything crap except a brand or two that you choose to smile upon?
This happened to a Brand new rifle for 300 dollars ?.........go figure
I don't think that's the point, the point is that an unsafe rifle was put onto the market.
You do get what you pay for, but you'd hope at least a rifle put on the market will be reliable for regular usage.
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That is, indeed, the point of the litigation currently being pursued in the USA.
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-flmdce/case_no-8:2007cv00262/case_id-190822/
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I had posted on this thread previously but, for whatever reason, the post isn't here.
Anyway, I suspect the handle is supposed to be silver soldered in place like the Winchester M70. Either the step was omitted or I'm just wrong (unlikely as that might sound!).
Regardless of whether the joint is intended to be silver soldered or not, the design is flawed. Knowing it is possible for the handle and base to come adrift (Winchesters do so often enough), the designer should have been aware of the potential for a serious mishap.
On the Winchester M70, if the joint should fail when a caertridge is being chambered, the bolt handle will go down but the rifle will not fire since the cocking cam, at least that portion of it which is milled into the bolt body, will not allow the striker to drop. On the Mossberg, if the handle is down, the striker can drop and fire the rifle although the locking lugs are not engaged. The only other rifle I can think of which has the same potential problem is the Browning A-Bolt. The bolt handle base on the A-Bolt is pinned though and less likely to fail.
This looks like a quality control issue to me but one which is more serious due to a design shortcoming. Regards, Bill.
Anyway, I suspect the handle is supposed to be silver soldered in place like the Winchester M70. Either the step was omitted or I'm just wrong (unlikely as that might sound!).
Regardless of whether the joint is intended to be silver soldered or not, the design is flawed. Knowing it is possible for the handle and base to come adrift (Winchesters do so often enough), the designer should have been aware of the potential for a serious mishap.
On the Winchester M70, if the joint should fail when a caertridge is being chambered, the bolt handle will go down but the rifle will not fire since the cocking cam, at least that portion of it which is milled into the bolt body, will not allow the striker to drop. On the Mossberg, if the handle is down, the striker can drop and fire the rifle although the locking lugs are not engaged. The only other rifle I can think of which has the same potential problem is the Browning A-Bolt. The bolt handle base on the A-Bolt is pinned though and less likely to fail.
This looks like a quality control issue to me but one which is more serious due to a design shortcoming. Regards, Bill.
Well all ATRs may not be created equal, and the product is definitely being geared towards the cost conscious, but for what you pay - I have only found them to be good value. Sure it is no Olympic winner but my 30.06 would, and still does, shoot 1" 10 shot groups at 100yards all day long with regular cheap Federal ammo. So for a $500 (or less) rifle scope combo and $17box ammo - it works for me and my hunting needs. Just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
