mossberg mvp thoughts feelings opinions?

hoytcanon said:
NO... they have to be "designated" as a "rifle" mag for the rifle restrictions to apply...It is all terminology and marketing that creates the problems... the same sort of issues arose with the 10/22 vs Charger pistol BX-25 mags from Ruger... because they marketed them as for "BOTH" the rifle AND pistol the pistol restrictions applied and the mags were deemed prohibited (due to their 25 round capacity)... semantics and "horse-pucky" but those are our screwed-up laws...
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just because it is a rifle mag does not make the capacity restricted, it has to do with the type of rifle, If the mag was stamped mossberg MVP this would not be an issue.

Let me put this another way, just like if a manufacturer designed a semi auto rifle now that would also fit mags for a bolt action that has already been available with 10rnd mags for years (ACIS, steyr,sauer, etc). would everyone have to pin their bolt action mags? no, you would be allowed 5 rounds in a semi and full capacity still in the bolt guns regardless of the mag because that is the law.
 
something about horses and water...

You cannot just take an AR 30 rounder, stamp Mossberg MVP on the bottom and now you're good to go. You are very late to this conversation and the history of the issue if the opinion you just stated is what's actually going through your head right now.
 
Brian46 said:
just because it is a rifle mag does not make the capacity restricted, it has to do with the type of rifle, If the mag was stamped mossberg MVP this would not be an issue.

Let me put this another way, just like if a manufacturer designed a semi auto rifle now that would also fit mags for a bolt action that has already been available with 10rnd mags for years (ACIS, steyr,sauer, etc). would everyone have to pin their bolt action mags? no, you would be allowed 5 rounds in a semi and full capacity still in the bolt guns regardless of the mag because that is the law.
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Since they are AR-compatable mags I was not differentiating from a semi platform and the MVP bolt platform, which will be the same issue that the RCMP are going to have... which is likely why Mossberg are pinning the mags for Canadian distribution... too much muddy water.
 
Brian46 said:
no, new manufacture with make and model
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The gun that the mag is used in does not enter the equation as far as the RCMP are concerned... The magazines designation with regard to capacity, is stipulated on the basis of what the magazine was "manufactured for and/or disributed for..." That doesn't have to makes sense, but it is the law. Back to the 10/22 vs Charger analogy... You can "legally" use 25 round Butler Creek magazines in a Charger pistol due to its original designation as "intended" for the 10/22 rifle.
 
The only way it would work... and it would be a very big stretch.... is to make a new magazine, proprietary to a new rifle, that just so happens to fit an AR-15.

But it would have to be passed through many layers of review, and testing...

Reality is that any mag that looks like it fits into an AR, will be tried and tested in an AR, if it can be made to work, the RCMP will prohibit it.
(except for the loophole in the law that they wrote in already... LAR mags, .50 Beowulf, etc.)

Better to lobby the government to remove the capacity law completely.
 
Daver_II said:
The only way it would work... and it would be a very big stretch.... is to make a new magazine, proprietary to a new rifle, that just so happens to fit an AR-15.

But it would have to be passed through many layers of review, and testing...

Reality is that any mag that looks like it fits into an AR, will be tried and tested in an AR, if it can be made to work, the RCMP will prohibit it.
(except for the loophole in the law that they wrote in already... LAR mags, .50 Beowulf, etc.)

Better to lobby the government to remove the capacity law completely.
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if the loophole works for a lar pistol mag and a 50 beowulf (wich also fits in a MVP), why would it not work if a new magazine was manufactured and marketed to a bolt action rifle only?
 
Brian46 said:
if the loophole works for a lar pistol mag and a 50 beowulf (wich also fits in a MVP), why would it not work if a new magazine was manufactured and marketed to a bolt action rifle only?
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strictest sense, it would work... But the RCMP would not let it happen.
 
You likely already saw it in the other thread that you're discussing this same topic but i'll copy paste.

To take another run at helping you here,

Dissociate the mag from the firearm. The laws do not care what a mag is used in.

Because the MVP is marketed as being designed to use an AR mag, the RCMP will not differentiate between an AR mag that is marked MVP and one that is not, they are still both AR mags. In their eyes it is still simply an AR mag. If you design a mag specifically for the MVP and mark it as such you have simply designed another AR mag. This mag will still be subject to the exact same treatment as any other AR mag.

For the super short and simple version

Mossberg MVP MAG = AR MAG
 
The RCMP shot itself in the foot (in regards to mags) when they said that the LAR-15 was a pistol...

Win for us...

Same with the .50 Beowulf Cartridge, They said a Semi-auto centerfire can have 5 rounds, And if rounds of a different calibre fit into a magazine they were not intended for, that is not illegal.

Again... Win for us.

They would argue that a .233 bolt action magazine that fits into an AR is in fact an AR magazine.
They would allow proprietary magazine designed for a bolt action but that requires minor modification to fit an AR, but they would say that by modifying it you are making it an AR magazine - same laws as modifying a magazine to accept more than legally allowed (unpinning).

Like I said, time is better spent lobbying to change the capacity law.
Maybe starting with allowing 30 round magazines at approved ranges for competition? Using an ATT? (getting rid of prohibited device with regards to magazines)
Then after the anti's ####-storm, when mags are no longer prohibited devices, push for less regulation...

No retailer is going to re-tool to make Canada friendly 30 rounders, considering we all have them already - just pinned to 5 :(.
 
Xactly...

AR mag usage in the MVP is the big selling feature, and since they are predominanty selling in the US market, they don't much care about Canadians being limited to 5 round mags as a result... Ruger did it to us too...
 
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I have the 24" barrel version, nice rifle and look forward to the 308 version if it ever arrives in Canada.

Great value for bolt rifle that can take lar15 mags.
 
f55 said:
I have the 24" barrel version, nice rifle and look forward to the 308 version if it ever arrives in Canada.

Great value for bolt rifle that can take lar15 mags.
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This is the one with the bench style stock? That is the version that I am interested in... What is your opinion of the action and spiral bolt?
 
quinnjoblow said:
Id like one in 7.62x39...I wonder if it will be a a dedicated Mossberg mag or will it be an AK mag. Be nice to shoot cheap cheap surplus in it
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I agree, I'd get the Varmint version in .223 and the Predator version in 7.62X39... Fun pair to shoot... But, I'd reload for the 7.62... I don't shoot that military crap.
 
hoytcanon said:
This is the one with the bench style stock? That is the version that I am interested in... What is your opinion of the action and spiral bolt?
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I like the action and feels smooth to me, i only used norc 223 but did make up some 55gr and 69gr with cfe and varget. I need to get to the 200 yard range some day and try the handloads.

Have a look on youtube for some reviews on accuracy. This is a $600 rifle so if i can get 2moa i would be happy.
 
hoytcanon said:
This is the one with the bench style stock? That is the version that I am interested in... What is your opinion of the action and spiral bolt?
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The actual fluting in the bolt is quite shallow and the bolt does have play when fully out of the action but the action itself is quite smooth. The 'flap' on the bolt is surprisingly sturdy despite it's initial look.

The gun itself looks great and is aluminum pillar bedded. Also a plastic bedding block that I'm not sure about quite yet. All in all for the money it looks and feels like great value for money.
 
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