Mossberg Patriot Night Train?

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I'm inexperienced with long(er) range shooting and what not. The descriptions of all these different kinds of optics/combinations is just making me dizzy. I want only one calibre, a .308 so I can take it to the range or hunting. Not likely to ever hunt anything requiring a bigger calibre so I was looking at a Mossberg Night Train ready to go out of the box scope and all. I despise the idea of building/modding/tinkering/dealing with gunsmiths (which is why I bought a Glock) I know you get what you pay for based on my other sports where I actually can tell the difference between high and entry level equipment. I get that part but I just don't think I love shooting enough to spend $3000+ on a "good" rifle.

How bad can this rifle possibly be?
 
It's bad...

I fondled one and couldn't get past how sloppy the bolt was.

If I was you I'd buy a Remington 783 .308, you can get them packaged with glass.

My 2c

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No personal experience, but every review I've read talks about parts coming off and breaking during firing.

The only 5 star review was from a fella that claims he gets 1 inch groups at 600 yards, and keeps it zeroed at 1000 yards. So... yeah.
 
Interesting... I am very happy with my Axis .223, so I would not hesitate to get a Savage again. But- my $299 Mossberg Maverick 88 pump which I have never cleaned ever has not once ever malfunctioned in any way shape or form, 1000's of rounds shooting skeet, whereas my Remington 887 that cost twice as much, still jams up at least twice every couple hundred rounds even with cleaning after each shoot... I've also read good and bad reviews about the Night Train, but thanks for the opinions so far! I'd be ok spending $1500 for a tactical sorta .308 with a scope. Is that even realistic?
 
If you want to make long range shooting, after choosing your caliber, the first thing to put money on is the Scope. With the money left, choose a rifle... I would suggest you to look at the savage 10TR or other savage 10 rifles, priced around 700$.

You will need a decent scope, with good turrets and reticle if you want to enjoy long range shooting (500 yards and more). Vortex have a good "bang for the buck" scopes, and you don't need high magnifications scope to shoot far. Sightron also have pretty darn good optics, then you have higher end ones like Shmidth and Bender, Nightforce etc... But they are very pricey. I have a Vortex Viper PST and it work fine, it tracks fine and I like the reticle.

The idea is that you can shoot long range with a 50$ 303 british (with reloaded ammunition!) mounted with a good scope, but you will have hard times shooting at 1000 yards with an Accuracy International 3500$ rifle mounted with a 50$ scope.

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Evil_Dark said:
If you want to make long range shooting, after choosing your caliber, the first thing to put money on is the Scope. With the money left, choose a rifle... I would suggest you to look at the savage 10TR or other savage 10 rifles, priced around 700$.

You will need a decent scope, with good turrets and reticle if you want to enjoy long range shooting (500 yards and more). Vortex have a good "bang for the buck" scopes, and you don't need high magnifications scope to shoot far. Sightron also have pretty darn good optics, then you have higher end ones like Shmidth and Bender, Nightforce etc... But they are very pricey. I have a Vortex Viper PST and it work fine, it tracks fine and I like the reticle.

The idea is that you can shoot long range with a 50$ 303 british (with reloaded ammunition!) mounted with a good scope, but you will have hard times shooting at 1000 yards with an Accuracy International 3500$ rifle mounted with a 50$ scope.

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Makes perfect sense to me. Like trying to ski on $1500 Volkls with entry level boots. Not a good idea. Sounds like I need to educate myself on optics. Once I figure that out the Savage 10 FCP-SR seems like it fits the bill nicely for what I want. And I even have a bipod laying around from a rifle I sold a while back.
 
savage 10/rem 700 both in 308 is a no brainer. Dont be cheap on the scope (or do it and learn by your mistake like me and many others did)
 
oryx80 said:
savage 10/rem 700 both in 308 is a no brainer. Dont be cheap on the scope (or do it and learn by your mistake like me and many others did)
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amen to that!!! ive had very good results with nikon or vortex optic. spend at least 700 on a scope if you want ot be able to see clearly past 700 yards. (nikon monarch 3 was my only exception)
now running vortex vipers on both hunting and target guns. very happy with them
 
Like the others are saying- Spend the majority of your money on a good scope with a lifetime warranty.
As for the rifle, I bought one of those Mossbergs when they first came out. Lots of nice features for the money but I believe they should have put a heavier barrel on it and trued the action instead of fluting the bolt and barrel. The stock had a ton of flex to it as well. Hard to beat a good laminate one. They are not as affected by humidity changes compared to regular wood. Has to do with the grain in the laminate running at right angles to the previous layer.

My recommendation is for a Savage Mod. 10 or 12 heavy barrel with a Vortex, Bushnel Tactical Elite or Sightron SIII.

There are tons of them on the Equipment Exchange and you can usually save about 30-50% compared to new.


Buy once - Cry once.
 
Personally I've never like the looks and feel of Savage rifles, but that's just me. I'd recommend to you a Remington 700, Weatherby Vanguard (Howa 1500 is the same thing), or nowadays a Tikka T3/T3x. All of those rifles would be a great starter rifle for you. Pick you poison and it'll likely be under $1000 just for the rifle. Then spend at least $500 on a scope. Another $500 will get you plenty of ammo, a bipod, and other accessories. So at $2000 you're all done and have a great rifle package that will likely last you a lifetime of accurate shooting. The numbers are rough estimates so you might be able to find a deal here or there and reduce your costs by a bit.

PS...The Mossberg is bad. I know a guy who had one and it had headspace issues so the firing pin wasn't striking the primer enough to detonate it.
 
I've decided on a Savage 10 FCP-SR. Haven't figured out a scope yet. I like to shoot and I want to hunt but I am just not into this enough to spend $2500+ on one rifle. (And I can't afford it either lol)
 
Heavy barrel Tikka T3 For 1100 to 1200 great guns Top it of with a 1000dollar 6500 bushnell and your entry level 308 is good to go
 
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