Mossberg Shockwave or equivalent in Canada? (Besides the Canucks)

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Anyone know if and where a guy can get one of these Shockwaves in Canada?

I need a minimum NR OAL for bush carry with mini-shell slugs. I tried out a Canuck Regulator, but it can't cycle the Aguila minishells reliably. The OPSol clips that allow most shottie models to cycle minishells don't fit/work on a Remington-style platform, like the Canucks.
 
Thanks Dexter Morgan.

I'm guessing you were thinking of doing the same, but thanks for collecting the online part locations for me. Building is considerably more expensive that a straight model buy, and around three times the price of the Canuck Regulator. I was so bummed to find that the regulator won't cycle minishells well, and more bummed that there's no modification possible to make it happen.

I wonder if I just get a Mossberg receiver, will the bird's head grip and the 14.5" barrel from the Canuck mount securely to the Mossberg receiver? Pipe Dreams eh?
 
Concrete Angler said:
Thanks Dexter Morgan.

I'm guessing you were thinking of doing the same, but thanks for collecting the online part locations for me. Building is considerably more expensive that a straight model buy, and around three times the price of the Canuck Regulator. I was so bummed to find that the regulator won't cycle minishells well, and more bummed that there's no modification possible to make it happen.

I wonder if I just get a Mossberg receiver, will the bird's head grip and the 14.5" barrel from the Canuck mount securely to the Mossberg receiver? Pipe Dreams eh?
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Comparing a mossberg 590 and a Canuck regulator is like comparing oranges and rotten apples.... not the same thing. Not even close.
I payed $700 for my factory 14” 590.... it’s a lovely gun.

Now, if you’re serious about carrying this goofy setup with the birds head grip and mini shells for defensive purposes I think you should do some research... hit the range... do some more research... hit the range some more and do yet more research until you figure out your idea is retarded.
 
It could be a retarded idea, but for my intended purpose, a short, high-capacity shotgun with smooth lines that won't hangup on branches or fly line, it seems to make sense to me. Please keep in mind that I'm still relatively new to 12ga and don't have years of hunting experience and my primary goal in the bush is fishing, not hunting.

I bought a few boxes of minishells and a Canuck Regulator and did put in time at the range, and have communicated with the folks who make the OPSol clip to determine that there are no mods for that type of receiver that will cycle the minis.

So, just asking for help to figure out how to accomplish the goal. I would buy a shockwave right away if they were available here, and I may end up building it with parts, but can you fault me for wondering if I could re-use the grip and barrel from the Canuck on a Mossberg receiver? Haven't we all wanted to save money at some point?

Do you say it's retarded because aim and control can be poor with the bird's head? Or because recoil is too hard to control? The mini's have a pretty soft recoil.
 
What is the intended use of the gun, predator defense or just something compact to have for some fun shooting in the bush? If it’s for animal defense you need to ask yourself if those mini shells will be up to the task.
 
If you're not set on Mossberg, there's an 870 on the EE right now listed under "a few shotguns" which is pretty much exactly what you're looking for. It's almost identical to my own set up.
 
Not a retarded ideal , but it is a bit fanciful , you'd have the same OAL and cheaper if you went with a Mossberg 500 and pistol grip , and to avoid any chance of a feed issue with the mini shell , just use 2 3/4" reduced recoil slugs [ cost less round for round as well ] , if some danger appears while you're out in the bush , you'll be lucky to get off 2-3 rounds and if you need more then 5 , then things are about to go very bad for you very fast .
Not my pictures , but , you get the ideal , time for pictures .lol




 
The birds head grip with a 14" kit is how I built mine. Works decent with the grip. Never tried a normal pistol grip on a 12 gauge but the angled birds head grip is where it is at.
As for the mini shells I wouldn't use them. You need to use that clip which could fall out. And watch Hickok45 newest slug fest video with a 25 round KSG and mini slugs at the start. Some of the mini slugs look like they have barely enough umpph to get out of the barrel let alone defend yourself from whatever you may come across. Use 2-3/4" slugs
 
If you’re serious about defensive work get a butt stock...

The use of buck shot for bear defense is retarded. Period.

Research the proper ammo and use it. Goofy mini shells aren’t it.
 
Mini shells have no place in a wildlife defense gun. While a full shotgun is vastly superior to use, The birds head grip does offer some advantage in compactness. It’s something to be treated as you would a handgun- wait for close range.
 
jacotsmith said:
A birdshead grip is waaaaaay easier on the wrist and you can get pretty good at hitting stuff once you've got the technique down.
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Yes it is easier, that pistol grip is murder on my wrist, I have a 14" mossy 590 with birdshead and a 18" 500, pistol grips are in the drawer collecting dust!
 
Gatehouse said:
Mini shells have no place in a wildlife defense gun. While a full shotgun is vastly superior to use, The birds head grip does offer some advantage in compactness. It’s something to be treated as you would a handgun- wait for close range.
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Agreed. Mini shells are a novelty. If you want to deal with a bear at close range, get something meant for that sort of work like Brenneke slugs.

You'll have a much better chance of hitting what you want with a real stock on it too. IMO pistol grip only shotguns are again a novelty. You can't aim properly with just a pistol grip, and when your life is on the line you want to actually hit what you're aiming at. A bad shot on a bear and you are fked, they can easily go 50+ feet with both lungs turned to jello, hit it in the leg and you'll be lunch...
 
Thank you everyone for all the great input! I trust that some other dudes out there are also benefiting from the advice as am I.

The chief takeaway for me here if that the minishells just aren't strong enough to deal a deathblow to a bear or wolf. I can do 2-3/4" slugs in my Canuck, so perhaps instead of worrying about changing receivers, just stick to proper ammo and be done with it.

Anyone have thoughts on how well a Sellier&Bellot 12ga 2-3/4″ 1oz Special Sport Slug would far towards a bear or wolf? Muzzle Velocity: 1345 fps

Thanks for pointing out that if 5 shots won't save me, then 3 more won't matter at that point. I wouldn't bother with buckshot for predator defense. Was thinking maybe the chambered carry round would be 00 buck as a warning shot, then the next four be slugs...

Everything I researched affirms to stay away from pistol grips, but the paddle stock and bird's head seem to be the ticket, which is exactly what I've got. Sling mounts for paddle stock, I'd have to screw in another sling point at the very back of the bird's head away from the hand's grip.

Hehe, anyone want to buy 1 unused box of Aguila minishell slugs :p
 
Concrete Angler said:
Thank you everyone for all the great input! I trust that some other dudes out there are also benefiting from the advice as am I.

The chief takeaway for me here if that the minishells just aren't strong enough to deal a deathblow to a bear or wolf. I can do 2-3/4" slugs in my Canuck, so perhaps instead of worrying about changing receivers, just stick to proper ammo and be done with it.



Hehe, anyone want to buy 1 unused box of Aguila minishell slugs :p
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Use the mini shells to get rid of pesky cats that crap in your garden!
 
Anyone have thoughts on how well a Sellier&Bellot 12ga 2-3/4″ 1oz Special Sport Slug would far towards a bear or wolf?
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Those are great slugs. But they're mainly meant for shooting cardboard targets in 3-gun matches.

There are much more powerful hunting slugs available.
 
Concrete Angler said:
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Anyone have thoughts on how well a Sellier&Bellot 12ga 2-3/4″ 1oz Special Sport Slug would far towards a bear or wolf? Muzzle Velocity: 1345 fps
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In my penetration tests the Sellier&Bellot Sport Slug did not well.

  • Aguila mini slugs: penetrated 2 boards
  • Sellier&Bellot Sport Slug: penetrated 3 boards
  • Rio Brenneke: penetrated 5 boards
  • Federal TruBall: penetrated 6 boards
  • Challenger slug penetrated 7 boards

The Challenger slug was the clear winner when it comes to penetration power ..... ;)

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1635960-Unofficial-12ga-Slug-Penetration-Comparison

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