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I'll second the stevens rifle. For the money, there is not a single thing wrong with it. I'd even go as far as say it could be the perfcect hunting rifle. Light weight, so you can really hunt with it. Low cost, so your not worried about it. Synthetic stock, so your not stuck in the middle of nowhere in a rain storm or with a broken wrist. And say what you want about blind magazines, you'll never lose it. The Mossberg's #1 thing that bothers me are the molded in sling swivels. I never liked that idea. And if I remember correct, the bolt shroud was made of plastic as well. Not a big deal, unless you drop the bolt for some reason. Another one to look at would be a Handi-rifle. For the money, I think their a good little rifle.
x2blargon said:
I don't know Stevens products, but30-06 is the way to go if your hunting big game. Let me tell you a story if your hunting big game like white-tail deer, the 30-06 may be a loss of meat on the table.
I used a BAR 30-06 with 180 grains ( don't remember which company ) on a male maybe 1.5 years old, and dropped him.
I made him flip, and drop. I hit him in the lungs, but I lost the left shoulder through a hemorage. The male died immediately, but the bullet fragmented.
I love 30-06 but for deer it is too powerful for those not used to using firearms.
Will I Am said:x2
I don't know Stevens products, but30-06 is the way to go if your hunting big game. Let me tell you a story if your hunting big game like white-tail deer, the 30-06 may be a loss of meat on the table.
I used a BAR 30-06 with 180 grains ( don't remember which company ) on a male maybe 1.5 years old, and dropped him.
I made him flip, and drop. I hit him in the lungs, but I lost the left shoulder through a hemorage. The male died immediately, but the bullet fragmented.
I love 30-06 but for deer it is too powerful for those not used to using firearms.
Wow... I never knew that. I am overwhelmed by this enlightened perspective... what would you recommend as a flip-drop rifle that may not be a loss of meat on the table?
Is a Male deer a buck with horns... or just one tiny horn? This descriptive vernacular although obviously couched in years of experience is somewhat alien to those not used to using firearms.
I am seriously awaiting to hear more!
Hi! I'm Bigredd, if it isnt magnum or whizbang 20 caliber its not good enough for me. I chastize other members for saying simple, stupid things such as, "no reason to get the 270wsm, 270 is the way to go" and "OMG!! USE PROPER TERMS IN AN ONLINE FORUM!!!"BIGREDD said:
Not my fault they are all so simple minded.
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whammy said:
first gun? .270 for sure.
30-06 might be a bit much for most shooters, and the stevens is a light gun so I'd imagine the recoil would be brisk like nothing else.
The .270 is a knecked down 30-06 cartridge, carrying a smaller bullet. Hardly any recoil but it is loud!
Fast & flat.I would take it deer - black bear - moose. Certainly covers elk.
the_big_mike said:first gun? .270 for sure.
30-06 might be a bit much for most shooters, and the stevens is a light gun so I'd imagine the recoil would be brisk like nothing else.
The .270 is a knecked down 30-06 cartridge, carrying a smaller bullet. Hardly any recoil but it is loud!
I would take it deer - black bear - moose. Certainly covers elk.
Didn't you just buy a .30-06?? I don't think the recoil would be any more than your Tikka.
I sure did! The recoil is stout in my tikka. I wouldn't want to start off with shooting the 30-06.blargon said:
I'm a little more seasoned (I believe) then him so my purdy shoulder knows whats going to happen!
the_big_mike said:Hi! I'm Bigredd, if it isnt magnum or whizbang 20 caliber its not good enough for me. I chastize other members for saying simple, stupid things such as, "no reason to get the 270wsm, 270 is the way to go" and "OMG!! USE PROPER TERMS IN AN ONLINE FORUM!!!"
Not my fault they are all so simple minded.
Lighten up Mike...
Your lack of of humor is only exceeded by your jealousy.
The stock design on the Stevens definitely imparts more recoil than the Tikka. I have shot both in .30-06... and both rifles will benefit from a limbsaver recoil pad.
I would suggest that a .270 (or 270WSM ) would be a perfect all around rifle for the uses mentioned.
I would suggest that a .270 (or 270WSM
) would be a perfect all around rifle for the uses mentioned.If this is your first rifle, than I fully support either the .270 Winchester or .30-06. But not because of some of the reasons mentioned above. 
I would lean more towards the '06 in your case. A .270 can certainly do whatever it is you ask of it, but in my mind, their are differences. It stems from the other members problem of bullet fragmentation. I'm willing to bet he was using a cheapy factory load. Winchester's Power Point comes to mind. These bullets are ok, but not great. I reccomend the use of premium bullets. I won't get into handloading, or too technical, but as an example Barnes bullets are pure copper. No lead to fragment. Big difference. The reason I would go to the '06 is i'm only assuming you will be buying your own ammo. My favorte factory ammunition supplier is Federal. I feel their quality is superior to either Winchester or remington. Looking at a big retailers catalauge, I count 20 different loadings for the .30-06. Only 11 for the .270 Winchester. And this is only in Federals line up. With almost twice the offerings, you will have a better oppertunity to 'tailor' your rifle and ammo to get the best performance. Also, places like Canadian tire which only deal in a limited supply of ammo would stock more options in the way of premium fodder for the '06. A .270's standard bullet weights are 130 and 150 grains. A .30-06 is between 150 and 180. You can go as low as 125 or up to 220 grains. The only reason I mention the heavy bullets is some rifles just like them better. I had a .270 that would not shoot a 130 grain bullet. It liked 150 grain Federals. I couldn't even handload a recipie it liked as much as those. To me, that offered no advantages over a 180 grain 30-06 load. I find the recoil of both to be acceptable, but if you are recoil shy, you can buy loaded reduced recoil loads for the '06. It may be a good training round until you are ready for a full power load. But even if you do choose a .270, you will not be handicapped by the cartridge. The biggest claim to fame of it over the '06 is a flatter shot. The bullet is supposed to arc less over the distance it travels. In reality, shots out to 300 yards, with your scope zeroed at 200 yards, you won't notice much of a difference at all. Pick what you can get ammo more easily for in your area, and hunt with confidence.
I would lean more towards the '06 in your case. A .270 can certainly do whatever it is you ask of it, but in my mind, their are differences. It stems from the other members problem of bullet fragmentation. I'm willing to bet he was using a cheapy factory load. Winchester's Power Point comes to mind. These bullets are ok, but not great. I reccomend the use of premium bullets. I won't get into handloading, or too technical, but as an example Barnes bullets are pure copper. No lead to fragment. Big difference. The reason I would go to the '06 is i'm only assuming you will be buying your own ammo. My favorte factory ammunition supplier is Federal. I feel their quality is superior to either Winchester or remington. Looking at a big retailers catalauge, I count 20 different loadings for the .30-06. Only 11 for the .270 Winchester. And this is only in Federals line up. With almost twice the offerings, you will have a better oppertunity to 'tailor' your rifle and ammo to get the best performance. Also, places like Canadian tire which only deal in a limited supply of ammo would stock more options in the way of premium fodder for the '06. A .270's standard bullet weights are 130 and 150 grains. A .30-06 is between 150 and 180. You can go as low as 125 or up to 220 grains. The only reason I mention the heavy bullets is some rifles just like them better. I had a .270 that would not shoot a 130 grain bullet. It liked 150 grain Federals. I couldn't even handload a recipie it liked as much as those. To me, that offered no advantages over a 180 grain 30-06 load. I find the recoil of both to be acceptable, but if you are recoil shy, you can buy loaded reduced recoil loads for the '06. It may be a good training round until you are ready for a full power load. But even if you do choose a .270, you will not be handicapped by the cartridge. The biggest claim to fame of it over the '06 is a flatter shot. The bullet is supposed to arc less over the distance it travels. In reality, shots out to 300 yards, with your scope zeroed at 200 yards, you won't notice much of a difference at all. Pick what you can get ammo more easily for in your area, and hunt with confidence.
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Whammy, excuse me for jumping in on this. Try the Stevens, not alot of money, the quality is there, the rifle shoots well. Try it in 270 Win. Use it and use it some more. Get used to shooting it, get good with it. When you feel you've outgrown it, post it on the EE and trade up to something you want.
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