Mossy MVP Vs. Remmy 700 (5.56/.223) which is better?

Here is the excerpt from my other thread:

Now the real kicker... the other rife in the first picture is a Mossberg MVP in 5.56,
It is mounted in a MDT LSS with a Bushnell 4200 elite tactical.
Best group of the day with it was .350" with Hornady 75 gr match.
The other groups with other ammo were all about 1"-1 1/4"

*it was a 5 round group... I only ever count 5 round groups.



And here is the link to the thread, it shows my .75MOA shooting with my other rifle...
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...le-shoots-1-2-quot-groups-too-bad-I-don-t-Yet
 
It's a good choice even if after market parts and support are less available, but the Vanguard did make my short list I just wanted back up irons as all my guns have.
 
I would have to lean towards the Rem 700. I have the tactical .223 version and it is a solid rifle and a great shooter. Straightforward, simple and accurate. I also have the .308 version of the Mossberg MVP (short barrelled patrol). The bolt is not as smooth and almost but not as accurate as the Rem 700. The only real advantage is the magazine feed. I'm still fumbling with the top reloading process of the 700. That is my only complaint though. I'm keeping both but for a .223 I'd go with the Rem 700 SPS tactical.
 
So this is a gopher gun right?shooting out to what distance? Carrying the gun very far?

The 700 sps varmint is very accurate with up to 55 gr pills which his what most varmint bullets are. If you shooting out past 300-400 yards a faster twist with heavier bullets might be better suited. The sps tactical should be good for the heavier 75 gr pills. The varmint barrel is quite long and heavy so it's better for lots of shooting rather than lots of walking ;) the tactical model is 6" shorter. (26" vs 20") Accurate, quality gun with great aftermarket support if you want to change out components. I don't care for the stock and changed mine out with a take off from the EE. Lucky enough there are tons of options for a heavy barrel 700 short action. Also the 700 VLS is basically an sps varmint with a pretty bolt and better stock.

I've seen some very nice savages but the really fast twist rates may not work well depending on the ammo being used. Not knocking savage at all just make sure it will work with the ammo you plan on using. If the budget is tight you seem to get a little more for your money with savage.

I've handled a sporter weight vanguard s2 and it seems like a solid option. The 1 in 9" twist of the varmint model would be comparable to the sps tactical. The model I handled had the same somewhat flexible stock as the 700 sps models that I don't really care for. It will probably be a lot more difficult to find aftermarket parts if there's anything you want to change. I've checked out the s1 and s2. The s2 had a better trigger and better stock. The Howa 1500 I believe is exactly the same as the s1

I can't comment on the mossberg accuracy but the build quality seems a little sloppy from the models I've seen. A shooter at my range has one and after some disappointment and repair work it seems to shoot now. I've had some time to talk to him about it and I think he's sorry he bought it. To each their own but I wouldn't purchase one.

Good luck with whatever you choose. There are lots of great guns out there so once you choose one ignore everybody and just enjoy the new toy ;)
 
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for some closure on this thread for you guys.

my dad picked up a Wealtherby Vanguard (Howa 1500) in 223 and swapped out the stock with a Boyd thumb-hole in salt and pepper.
he put on a Cabela's Optic (he is very fond of them)

only complaint he has had so far is the drop plate mag, but after doing some looking it seems you can replace that with a box mag so i believe he is going to go that route.

so far the gun is a tack driver from the 2 range trips he put in last week, from what he was saying it will be going out to the farm this weekend to break its cherry on some gophers.

its funny, i was at my LGS the other day and they have this exact gun in stock and on sale for a really good price, i was tempted to pick it up so i would have one to shoot when i go down to visit, but i think ill go a different route then him, im thinking Ruger Predator is 223 if i can ever find one or maybe a Mossy MVP just to mix things up a little.

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I have a Mossberg MVP with a Bushnell 5-15x40 tactical and my best 5 shot group is with 45gr winchester whitebox. It chrono'd at 3510 f/s and It printed a 0.650" group. I have only tried Winchester white box and Wolf 55gr ammo. (that wolf stuff printed 1.20" 5 shot groups, it was just dirty , shytty, ammo)
I can't wait to try out some homemade loads this summer.
That bolt lip that drops down is not that flimsy, and the bolt play , although excessive, does not bind when using it, and locks up solid. I love the stock on this gun, and the trigger is literally as good as ANY trigger out there. Just saying. This gun is too angular to be a good carry gun, with the pistol grip and AR magazine sticking out. It is meant to be shot at the bench or from a rest or off the tailgate of your truck at gophers.
I have several remington rifles now, but am leery of modern production models. Just be wary of the twist rate, and get the right one.
I love Weatherby/Howa rifles and think the vanguard design is one of the best out there. But the majority of them out there are 1:12" twist. (I hear the newest ones have a 1:9" twist, but has anyone seen one? Plus they are no lightweight rifles. I have a Howa in .300winmag and love the thing. BUT , it is not pleasant to carry all day, good sling or not.
 
I've shot both. I'm a righty shooting left, but that's beside the point. my vote would go for the rem700, mostly because of aftermarket, and the 4 people that have had the MVP have all had something go with their bolt that they had to sent it away for. that being said the MVP shot great and felt quite nice despite me shooting it left.
 
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