Mossy MVP Vs. Remmy 700 (5.56/.223) which is better?

The mossberg has a flimsy bolt catch that pushes the cartridge into the chamber, when I saw one in the store on the 556 mvp, I thought that it seemed quite week and could be prone to failure.
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wayupnorth said:
was chatting with my dad last night.
we got on the topic of what the next gun/gun project we both had on the horizon.
he mentioned that he was looking at getting a .223 bolt rifle.
he wanted something a little more aggressive for gopher shooting and something with a little more 'umph' too it.
he has a smattering of 22's and 17HMR's and i guess he wants to go up another level.

couple years back he picked up a AR Varmint and loves that gun and would love to take it out gopher shooting but we all know that isnt going to happen. so he decided that he wants to pick up a bolt gun in 223/5.56 and use that.
i can see where the allure in what he is talking about.

so we discussed what he was looking for.
he had kind of settled on a Savage 223 that was very simular to his 17HMR by Savage.
bull barrel, Boyd stock with the thumb-hole - im sure you all know the kind.
i suggested that he maybe look at the Mossberg MVP just for the simple fact that it takes the AR mags and he has 20-30 of those laying around already for his AR.
he said he would have a look at them when he had some down time.
he sent me a couple texts today when he had some down time, he asked what i thought was better - i guess he has left the Savage and the race is now between the Mossberg MVP and the Remington 700.

not having either gun all i could tell him was that the Remington was probably a better built gun and that the aftermarket stuff for the Remington would probably be better then the Mossberg as the 700 has been around for a while and is a widely used platform.
the Mossberg again all i could say was that it uses the AR mags.

so the question is out - you guys probably have one of both of these guns - so which one is better?
if you where to recommend one to a 70yr old retired fella who wants to use it as a gopher/coyote gun and probably some paper punching which route would you recommend?

pricing on them is similar.
here are the 2 he sent me that he was looking at;
(both are supporting companies of CGN so ill direct link them below)

Mossberg MVP Varmint 5.56 NATO (.223) $669.95

Remington Model 700 SPS Varmint .223 $690.00
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out of those too it would be the remington but I do not like or own either, I bought a mvp patrol not long ago and sold it before even firing a round because of how poor quality it was.
 
valtro12 said:
The mossberg has a flimsy bolt catch that pushes the cartridge into the chamber, when I saw one in the store on the 556 mvp, I thought that it seemed quite week and could be prone to failure.
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Same as I thought!

Took one look at that new bolt design and thought how long is that going to last for? When I worked bolt it just flopped around at the end of the cycling stroke something I have never seen in a bolt action before just did not feel the design would last for an extended period of time so Savage it was. :)

But as said here if you have the money buy the best unfortunately raising a family has made me really look for balance and value when it comes to my toys.
 
well lets muddy the waters some shall we.

lets put Howa M1500 into the mix.
and maybe a WEATHERBY VANGUARD.

after looking into it more and listening to what has been said here i think he has all but dropped the Mossberg from the race and is now looking at the Howa M1500 or a Savage or a Weatherby.

from talking to him this afternoon i think the Howa M1500 is winning the race.
 
randyhub said:
Same as I thought!

Took one look at that new bolt design and thought how long is that going to last for? When I worked bolt it just flopped around at the end of the cycling stroke something I have never seen in a bolt action before just did not feel the design would last for an extended period of time so Savage it was. :)

But as said here if you have the money buy the best unfortunately raising a family has made me really look for balance and value when it comes to my toys.
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Does anyone know if the 308 version has the same design as the 556 with the flimsy bolt catch?

Btw, I also noticed that the entire bolt flopped around when opened.
 
I have no experience with the howa, but I have heard good things. Check out sniper central. The only downside to the howa or weatherby will be aftermarket support.
 
rl4930 said:
I have no experience with the howa, but I have heard good things. Check out sniper central. The only downside to the howa or weatherby will be aftermarket support.
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Found the same with my research, lots of parts, support, and accessories for Savage and Remington hands down.
 
theshootist said:
My Mossberg MVP shoots a reliable .75moa with no modifications. Maybe I got lucky but that was with the first handload recipe I had in 223
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I guess I'm one of the lucky ones as well. I concur, .75moa is not BS.

I use out of the box 75gr Hornady Steel Match hollow points. I don't see the point of loading this caliber when it shoots sub-moa.
 
rl4930 said:
Can you guys with mossbergs post a picture of a target with 5, 5 shot groups at 3/4" MoA or better? If so, I'll buy into it.
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RE: Sub- MOA Moss MVP groups.


Sure, I'll bite. But I have a Disclaimer.


These targets are not my best groups, they are typical groups of what I shoot in winter conditions. The only reason I have these targets is because they were stapled to the plywood when I took the target stand home for repair from the farm.

I'm also not making any claim that the Moss MVP is any better or any worse than another rifle. Nor am I claiming that it is a better value than any other rifle. I'm posting these because it shoots really well "out of the box", with "out of the box" commercial ammo. The scope is a $100 3-9 Busnell Banner.


I've made better groups than this but I'm not interested saving or bragging. The only reason I shoot off a 3 point rest is to tune the scope, or tune the ammo reloads. I'm a hunter and the bipod is as precision as I get. This is not my choice of a precision rifle, its my spare coyote hunter. I've also shot a dozen different makes of popular ammo, not all ammo shoots so good in every rifle. Hornady 75gr works well in this rifle.


Target #1

3 point shooters rest at 100 yards using Hornady 75gr Steel Match Hollow Points. The fifth round flyer was me, not the rifle. And I hate to admit it, I have more flyers than what I care for some days, but this is a typical group. I've shot several .5moa groups but shooting off a rest is not hunting.


Target #2

Same gun, same day, same ammo, but off the Harris Bipod instead of the 3 point shooter rest. I would consider this as my typical prone hunting shot laying in a field of dirt or snow. IE: dead coyote.



My only point here is that the Moss MVP is quite capable ( and does make) of Sub-MOA shots out of the box with factory ammo. I'm not suggesting that it is the best rifle. There are several things that I don't care for, but to set up a spare coyote rig for well under a thousand, its not too bad.


 
Huh?
Those groups look a lot closer to 1.5 moa than .75, or is that measuring tape in centimeters? OK shouldn't have sad that... sorry.

Flyers count ya know bud.

They are not terrible groups for a cheap rifle, I will admit that. But sorry to say, that's not a 3/4 minute rifle.

For the money though, that's pretty good.
 
BadAsMo said:
Huh?
Those groups look a lot closer to 1.5 moa than .75, or is that measuring tape in centimeters? OK shouldn't have sad that... sorry.

Flyers count ya know bud.

They are not terrible groups for a cheap rifle, I will admit that. But sorry to say, that's not a 3/4 minute rifle.

For the money though, that's pretty good.
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Maybe you could actually read it too? The 1.5 is from the bipod, not the shooters rest, and as per reality, my standing shot groups get bigger as well. As written, those are my average groups, not my best groups, nor are they my worse groups. I shoot with a rest only to know for myself what the rifle is capable of. Lots of my groups have no flyer, those 2 targets just happened to be on the plywood when I took it home.
 
I know I get it fid.
I'm just saying that people should not go around claiming they have a 3/4 minute gun because of one good group one day last summer. Guys are going to lay the BS card down.
If we are honest, it's the worst group (including flyers) that defines the gun, not the best group.

Here's a nice .2 moa group... according to some.
http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index.php?topic=3866768.0
 
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BadAsMo said:
I know I get it.
I'm just saying that people cannot go around claiming they have a 3/4 minute gun because of one good group one day last summer.
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It was winter, and sure I know what you're saying, but on the other hand, how many people shoot 200 rounds and brag about their best 5 shot group when they're average is quite a bit bigger? When people say "best group", I ask what is the "typical" group? and further, I'm sure a younger and more steady shooter with better eyes can shoot better groups.


Again, my point is for a $500 naked gun, it is quite capable of shooting moa or better.
 
I agree with all said above, but I wouldn't be claiming 3/4 MoA accuracy. I would Probly say 1.5 MoA and on a good day it'll maybe get a .75 group. When I shoot my precision guns, I tend to measure every group and compile my data. I average all of my groups as a whole. 5 groups of 5 rounds on one target all shot on the same day would be proof positive for me and I'm sure most others.
 
Depending on Ammo, I average 1.5 MOA groups.
With Hornady 75gr match ammo I shot two consecutive groups (.350" and just over .5")

I have also shot 4" groups....

Then again, my rifle is not a $500 rifle anymore, the optic and LSS chassis help I am sure.
 
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