Most accurate Factory 308 ???

[Squinty]

If we are putting the PGW into the factory class, why not the Tac Ops as well - Squinty, I have NO IDEA why you would say the Blaser was the most accurate!
TacOps shoots their test target with 165Federal Gold Medal ammo.
Cat

The Tac Ops is not a factory rifle. It is the work of a mad genius. Mike Rescigno is only slightly more demented than my cat. In case you don't know the "F" from "F-51" stands for Fluffy.

If you call Tac Ops and ask them to build the Fluffy, they will know exactly what you mean.

 

[Squinty]

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[catnthehatt]

"Just about as accurate?"
That is not "most accurate"
for the most accurate that is also AFFORDABLE it would certainly be Savage!

Cat

 

[rdgietz]

Savage 12 FTR .308

Ok... poor guy here! Well not really but I spent all my money on pistols but wanted to get into long range shooting.

I got into F class shooting with a Savage 12 FTR in .308... This rifle was $1200 plus some change from Cabalas.. With my hand loads i was able to shoot 0.380 MOA at 200 yards with a 5 shot group.... That was with Berger 155 gr VLDs Lapua Brass and Varget...

I just finished my first bedding job and am looking forward to see if i can squeeze a bit more out of the old boy... but have to wait for my Selkirk membership to come in ..

and just have to get a good torque wrench so i can torque the action properly...

RDG

 

[ripitup911]

I don't know why blaser is considered so good? Price? Looks? Because I know 2 people that have bought blaser's sent them back twice before being told sorry were not going to fix them because they couldn't shoot accurately at all. Maybe they got a bad batch ( bought around same time from same place). But I shot both of them along with many others including people that compete and are excellent shots and none of which could get under 1 moa with 3 different night force optics used. Anyways end of rant. To op if we're deeming pgw to be factory I think they are the winner

 

[GunBoy]

I don't know why blaser is considered so good? Price? Looks? Because I know 2 people that have bought blaser's sent them back twice before being told sorry were not going to fix them because they couldn't shoot accurately at all. Maybe they got a bad batch ( bought around same time from same place). But I shot both of them along with many others including people that compete and are excellent shots and none of which could get under 1 moa with 3 different night force optics used. Anyways end of rant. To op if we're deeming pgw to be factory I think they are the winner

with out Know note of the detail about the shooter, It very hard to judge, but I very doubt that those gun can't group, those gun are consider to be high end rifle, will shoot Better then most, before these packaged, quality control personal would test them out for functional and accuracy group size, if specific rifle doesn't group under the acceptable size, that rifle will not leave the manufacture. This is what I know from most high end arm manufacture.

 

[Eagleye]

with out Know note of the detail about the shooter, It very hard to judge, but I very doubt that those gun can't group, those gun are consider to be high end rifle, will shoot Better then most, before these packaged, quality control personal would test them out for functional and accuracy group size, if specific rifle doesn't group under the acceptable size, that rifle will not leave the manufacture. This is what I know from most high end arm manufacture.

I have a friend with a Blaser rifle. He has 3 barrels for it, and two shoot quite well, but the third, a 338 Win Mag is a sorry one indeed.
It's a 2 moa barrel, no matter what you shoot out of it. So, high end or not, there are lemons out there.
PGW gets my vote.
Eagleye.

 

[GunBoy]

maybe that barrel has a bad crown, does he shot factory or does he know how to reload, 338winmag, what rifling does the barrel had?, will like one grain of bullet over the other.

 

[rsp1761]

If we are putting the PGW into the factory class, why not the Tac Ops as well - Squinty, I have NO IDEA why you would say the Blaser was the most accurate!
TacOps shoots their test target with 165Federal Gold Medal ammo.
Cat

I would respectfully submit that without producing a single major component of the rifle in house Tac-Ops along with the legions of other outfits putting barrels on Remingtons should not be included in a factory rifle thread....

Now perhaps I am wrong and Tac-Ops is producing receivers, bolts, stocks, etc but I do not believe they are...

Having said all of that they along with many others do have a great reputation for putting together very accurate rifles...

 

[Squinty]

Tac Ops produces a custom gun. It's not a factory rifle; but they do a little bit more than just put barrels on Remingtons.

 

[carbonrod]

Sigh. The factory test target.

How far can you see 30 cal holes with that spotter BTW?

 

[Squinty]

Sigh. The factory test target.

How far can you see 30 cal holes with that spotter BTW?

I don't know what you are sighing about. I almost wish that catnthehatt had not posted pictures of my rifle.

I get tired of all the sighing and other miscellaneous stuff. The plain fact is the rifle will shoot groups of less than one tenth of a minute of angle with Federal Gold Medal Match ammo.

Some folks don't like to hear this, but the rifle is really that accurate. It is far more than a rebarrelled Remington. Every last part of the rifle has been remanufactured and remachined and it really is that good.

 

[maynard]

I get tired of all the sighing and other miscellaneous stuff. The plain fact is the rifle will shoot groups of less than one tenth of a minute of angle with Federal Gold Medal Match ammo.

What happened to the BS Flag smiley? 1/10 MOA with factory match ammo? How many times? Is this every day, all day long, or a once in a lifetime fluke? If it shoots 1/10 MOA you have a world record holder right there. I know guys that would pay huge coin for that rifle just so they could be crowned World Champion.

Back to the OP's question about the most accurate factory rifle. Lots of factory offerings can shoot 1/2 MOA groups clamped in a vice shooting in tunnel at the factory. When it get into a shooters hands too many other things come into effect the results. Shooters ability being the most impotant factor. That being said, a 3 MOA rifle will not shoot 1/2 MOA groups regardless of how skilled the pilot is.

If price is not a factor, why would you limit yourself to a factory rifle? When you get up into the price range of AI, Blaser and such, you are already in the price range of a full custom. Plus with a custom rifle you get the barrel, stock trigger, etc that you want, not what the factory offers.

 

[dizzy]

If price is not a factor, why would you limit yourself to a factory rifle?

For many reasons. There are times when only factory rifles should be used, and times for customs. For me, right now, its factory only. That doesn't mean I don't or won't shoot customs. Right now I am only looking for factory offerings, where I can buy one or more that shoot exceptionally well, all the time, in all conditions and with a variety of factory ammo.

 

[Epoxy7]

If cost is not a factor, why on earth would you want a factory rifle?

BTW : Rifles are measured in precision, only the shooter is accurate.

Remmy 700 5R milspec hits high on the list. But if cost is no factor then SAKO, AI, PGW are things you should be looking at. But the truth is that with cost not being a factor, you want to build a full custom.

I don't think the 5R qualifies. It's technically not a factory rifle. It's not a catalog item. Also the early ones were said to have barrels from the M24 equipment while being assembled in the custom shop even though they weren't technically a custom rifle.

 

[CyaN1de]

I guess the first question that should have been asked is "what is the intended use of the rifle?" before ANY advice is given on brand etc as some rifles will be better suited for long range prone vs, say, shooting groups off a bench at short and/or long range.

Take Savages offerings as an example, their bench model 12 would be more suited, obviously, for shooting from a bench where their F-class offering would be better suited for prone shooting.

 

[dizzy]

I guess the first question that should have been asked is "what is the intended use of the rifle?" before ANY advice is given on brand etc as some rifles will be better suited for long range prone vs, say, shooting groups off a bench at short and/or long range.

Shooting extremely accurately from a variety of positions, in a variety of conditions, and at variety of distances. This will not be a dedicated BR gun. The gun will not be restricted to shooting under predictable conditions. It can't be a safe queen

 

[Arrowhead]

with out Know note of the detail about the shooter, It very hard to judge, but I very doubt that those gun can't group, those gun are consider to be high end rifle, will shoot Better then most, before these packaged, quality control personal would test them out for functional and accuracy group size, if specific rifle doesn't group under the acceptable size, that rifle will not leave the manufacture. This is what I know from most high end arm manufacture.

Blaser Tac2 .308
Top left target was to sight the scope
All groups are 5 rounds group at 200 yards

 

[maynard]

Shooting extremely accurately from a variety of positions, in a variety of conditions, and at variety of distances. This will not be a dedicated BR gun. The gun will not be restricted to shooting under predictable conditions. It can't be a safe queen

Shooting the fullbore TR or F Class game your rifle will see known ranges from 300 yards to 1000 yards. Conditions are anything but predictable however the positions are prone only. Trust me if you get into this game and shoot when ever/where ever your rifle will not be a safe queen.

Stock configuration is one limiting factor like CyaN1de has stated. There really isn't a one size fit all for all the shooting games.

 

[ONT0001]

Dizzy,
You have really unlimited choice and "best" is subjective and opinionated.At the higher end scale of the "factory" offerings you've probably done most of your research already and have a pretty good idea of what's best "for you".
Everyone who puts forth an opinion here is probably (hopefully) based on what they found best for them through actual use.
Blaser,Blieker,AI,Unique Alpine,Desert TacticalArms,DSR1,Sauer,and the list goes on.
Hard to label any "the Best" but all at that level are pretty damn good .
Which one do you think warrants your $$ and you'll enjoy the most?
Personally I like rifles with the ability to be multi caliber quick change barrel systems with stock adjustability to be changed to suit the shooting style chosen at that time.
It is nice to be in the position to choose from so many.
Have fun and good shopping.
Gord O