Most accurate out-of-box Precision rifle

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Hello friends,

I am looking at investing in a "Precision" rifle and I want the best out-of-box rifle in terms of reliability and accuracy in .308. Currently, I am looking at Remington Model 700™ Target Tactical or Savage 10BA/110 BA.

Please let me know your thoughts.

Thanks!
 
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your in the precision rifle forum, sorry none of us are snipers here, just distance shooters. Using the term ''sniper rifle'' wont get you far here...
 
well if you want to pay lots for .338 lapua ammo i like the savage, it's not to expensive compared to other .338 lapua rifles. they just came out with a 110 FCP in a HS precision stock it's a bit cheaper than the 110ba and looks bad ass. as far as out of the box i would go with savage, they have great out of the box performance. you can also get the 100ba in 300 win mag but i would go with the .338 in that particular rifle but thats just my preference.

on the other hand if you want to do a lot of shooting i would go with a rifle in .308 win which is what you will find with most 700's. for the price i would take the savage over the 700 target tactical any day.

also someone please explain to me the beef with the term "sniper rifle". aren't all sniper rifles just precision rifles used by a sniper? i've seen some people get pissy about that and i don't see what the big deal is, because i'm sure most people when starting out shooting refer to a tactical looking long range rifle as a sniper rifle myself included, correcting someone is ok but making them feel like a stupid ass is un needed.
 
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zooch345 said:
.....aren't all sniper rifles just precision rifles used by a sniper?.....
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Yup. And how many people here are snipers?
Maybe the OP is a sniper, maybe he isn't. If he is looking to buy an out of the box sniper rifle maybe he is just a beginning sniper, hasn't done any actual sniping yet.
Let's assume that he is just asking about what out of the box rifle he can buy that would be a highly accurate precision rifle.
There is no real answer. Buying any factory rifle is a bit of a crap shoot, factory rifles and factory barrels being what they are.
A lot will depend on a shooter's expectations and skill.
There are Savage/Remington/Tikka rifles that might do well enough out of the box. Might not. Until a factory rifle is actually tested by a superior shot using quality optics and ammunition there is no way of saying.
Then there is the issue of kewlness. Will a rifle shoot better if it is decked out, accessorized with doodads and gimcracks? Do looks matter?
The best out of the box rifle is likely one that has been worked over/built up/tuned by a skilled accuracy gunsmith.
 
Savage 10BA in .308 or the Savage 110BA in .338
For about $2000 each (new) you get a rigid all aluminum Accustock, muzzle brake, Magpul PRS buttstock, 24" or 26" heavy barrel, scope rail, and a few more rails to mount whatever coolio doodad you wish. Throw on a decent quality scope and Burris/Harris bipod, and you can have a sub-MOA shooter for about $3000. Both have excellent build quality and above average finishing.
Of course you can spend far more and get slightly better performance (MAYBE) so it all depends on your expectations and needs. But as been said many times before, its hard to beat Savage or Remington (700) for value and accuracy out-of-the box.
 
zooch345 said:
also someone please explain to me the beef with the term "sniper rifle". aren't all sniper rifles just precision rifles used by a sniper?
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It carries a negative connotation and there are very few actual 'snipers' in this country. There are a lot of people who like accurate rifles who shoot some amazing distances at targets though.
 
most accurate out of the box "sniper rifle" in .308 , - well that would be the the issued C3.

Most accurate out of the box rifle you can buy, Take a look at the Remington 700 5R .308. Its about the start of the line. you can move up to PGW coyote. IMO the coyote is about as good as it gets.
 
Sniper rifles are issued.

Precision rifles are purchased.

Oh, and I forgot the sharp shooters, do they purchase or are issued?

Not sure that is accurate but, that is my take on it.

As for accuracy out of the box I'd have to second the 700's, 5R.
 
If i was a sniper i would certainly use one of my TRG-22 i wont talk about my TC Icon P.H. 308 as certain members find it a bit annoying... JP.
 
A sniper is a marksman who shoots targets from concealed positions or distances exceeding the capabilities of regular personnel. Snipers typically have specialized training and distinct high-precision rifles.


Not that much different than precision shooters if you take 'concealed positions' out of it...

A sniper is a marksman who shoots targets from distances exceeding the capabilities of regular personnel. Snipers typically have specialized training and distinct high-precision rifles.

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guntech said:
A sniper is a marksman who shoots targets from concealed positions or distances exceeding the capabilities of regular personnel. Snipers typically have specialized training and distinct high-precision rifles.


Not that much different than precision shooters if you take 'concealed positions' out of it...

A sniper is a marksman who shoots targets from distances exceeding the capabilities of regular personnel. Snipers typically have specialized training and distinct high-precision rifles.

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Bit of a difference in potential targets, too.....

Anyway, whether a given rifle is acceptable depends on the skill level and expectations of the shooter. As mentionned, there are OTB factory rifles that can perform quite well. A few will be exceptional, most are adequate, some awful. Until any given rifle is tested, who knows? One person's experience with one rifle is interesting, but is not conclusive.
 
"We" are not snipers and should not use that term. Shooting is only a part of sniper capability. The DCRA was correct in changing the term sniper to precision rifle, as even the course of fire is not"sniper", let alone the competitors.

Portraying ourselves(target shooters), as snipers, is negaitive PR and adds fuel for the anti-gun faction.

Regards,

Peter Dobson
Hirsch Precision Inc.
Lapua in Canada
 
Modified my thread to use "Precision" Rifle instead of "Sniper" Rifle. I didn't think there was a difference.

Thanks for all the suggestions. The Savage 10BA/110BA is looking good so far. I have used .308 before and they are cheap, easy to load, and very accurate (.25MOA). I have never used the .338..Can someone comment on their performance (accuracy, drop, etc) and cost, specifically in the 110BA Savage?

Thanks!
 
zooch345 said:
well if you want to pay lots for .338 lapua ammo i like the savage, it's not to expensive compared to other .338 lapua rifles. they just came out with a 110 FCP in a HS precision stock it's a bit cheaper than the 110ba and looks bad ass. as far as out of the box i would go with savage, they have great out of the box performance. you can also get the 100ba in 300 win mag but i would go with the .338 in that particular rifle but thats just my preference.

on the other hand if you want to do a lot of shooting i would go with a rifle in .308 win which is what you will find with most 700's. for the price i would take the savage over the 700 target tactical any day.

also someone please explain to me the beef with the term "sniper rifle". aren't all sniper rifles just precision rifles used by a sniper? i've seen some people get pissy about that and i don't see what the big deal is, because i'm sure most people when starting out shooting refer to a tactical looking long range rifle as a sniper rifle myself included, correcting someone is ok but making them feel like a stupid ass is un needed.
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a sniper shoots people and we live in canada..
 
kouma said:
Modified my thread to use "Precision" Rifle instead of "Sniper" Rifle. I didn't think there was a difference.

Thanks for all the suggestions. The Savage 10BA/110BA is looking good so far. I have used .308 before and they are cheap, easy to load, and very accurate (.25MOA). I have never used the .338..Can someone comment on their performance (accuracy, drop, etc) and cost, specifically in the 110BA Savage?

Thanks!
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OK guys, he changed his OP, so anymore comments about his choice of words will only confuse new comers to this thread.
Kouma, if you're going open up the choice cartridge for your "out of the box" precision rifle, then my friend, you're in for a long arduous journey, because
the selection starts around the .223 Rem, ends around .338 Lapau and includes every caliber in between (and I'm sure there are those who will disagree
with that summation). So sit back and enjoy the ride.:D
 
KDX said:
It carries a negative connotation and there are very few actual 'snipers' in this country. There are a lot of people who like accurate rifles who shoot some amazing distances at targets though.
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With all due respect, KDX, I am not sure that "there are very few actual "snipers" in this country". Could you define "very few"?

You have to take into consideration the fact that many police congregations in Canada (federal, provincial, big cities police) keep "sniper" teams to provide for any contingencies and these "snipers" are considered as being true snipers by none other than Major John L. Plaster, USAR (RET.), in his well known book "The Ultimate Sniper" - updated and expanded, 2006.

Even if the CF are away in Afghanistan - with presumably the bulk of their snipers - we still have many police "snipers" in Canada. How many I don't know but certainly more than "very few".

Methinks.
 
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