Most durable 9mm?

beltfed finally brought this back to reality...thank you.

I hear guys saying I vote for this or I'll say that. But you don't have any data to back it up.

When one looks around the world at SF units you see three guns over and over and over.
SIG, Glock and HK. The exception is some of the US Units that still have this love affair with the 1911.

JTF2 = Sig
UK SAS = Sig
Seals=Sig
GIGN=Glock
Belgian=Glock
GSG9=Glock (and Germans at that)
KSK=HK
Seals newer gun=HK
Jordan SF=Glock
Saudi SF=Glock
Aus SAS=HK

and on and on.

The DHS Testing a few years ago was the most comprehensive since the old US Army tests of 1984 / 1985. Very expensive and pretty much no-one has the cash to even come close to putting on a similar test. I think they ordered 40000 guns, which is over twice the number of members that the entire RCMP has. The results are LE Sensitive so I cannot share them here although I have a copy somewhere.

The only guns that were able to finish were Sig and HK, both awarded a joint contract.
I was very disappointed in the Glock for breaking down and not being able to finish. I still think it's a great, tough gun, it was just proven to be not as good as Sig Sauer or HK.

I like CZ's but they are not in the same class. I remember when they were starting to use them in IPSC 20 years ago as open guns and they broke..and broke...and broke and were a joke. It's a pretty good gun in 9mm.

Rich
 
Rich, thanks for the Facts, sure makes buying my next pistol much easier. Was going to go CZ but will wait to find a near mint sig 210.
 
So it seems like I should just splurge and get something thatll last forever like a sig, but what model exactly? Are they all generally the same regarding quality? Or are some better then others? Alloy frame would be ideal, not a big fan of the poly. But if one model reigns above the rest by all means mention it poly or not.
 
Rich LPS said:
beltfed finally brought this back to reality...thank you.

I hear guys saying I vote for this or I'll say that. But you don't have any data to back it up.

When one looks around the world at SF units you see three guns over and over and over.
SIG, Glock and HK. The exception is some of the US Units that still have this love affair with the 1911.

JTF2 = Sig
UK SAS = Sig
Seals=Sig
GIGN=Glock
Belgian=Glock
GSG9=Glock (and Germans at that)
KSK=HK
Seals newer gun=HK
Jordan SF=Glock
Saudi SF=Glock
Aus SAS=HK

and on and on.

The DHS Testing a few years ago was the most comprehensive since the old US Army tests of 1984 / 1985. Very expensive and pretty much no-one has the cash to even come close to putting on a similar test. I think they ordered 40000 guns, which is over twice the number of members that the entire RCMP has. The results are LE Sensitive so I cannot share them here although I have a copy somewhere.

The only guns that were able to finish were Sig and HK, both awarded a joint contract.
I was very disappointed in the Glock for breaking down and not being able to finish. I still think it's a great, tough gun, it was just proven to be not as good as Sig Sauer or HK.

I like CZ's but they are not in the same class. I remember when they were starting to use them in IPSC 20 years ago as open guns and they broke..and broke...and broke and were a joke. It's a pretty good gun in 9mm.

Rich
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golcks are adopted by all these services simply because in great amount, they are a dime a dozen because of the meaterials they are made of... did you ever hold a beretta of a full size metal alloy pistol? too heavy for everyday carry. thats the other reason. plain in simple: cost and weight.

im not saying clocks are not good guns, maybe not ''the guns''
 
Haven't heard much in this thread from the 1911 crowd.

I would think they had extensive testing when wars were fought in trenches. They were carried in battle for many years by soldiers in conditions that I'm sure were not condusive to a long life for a handgun.

Maybe they didn't have other options?
 
IN Canada what is more important than durability is accessibility of spare parts and cost of same.

Although I love my HK's, parts cost a bit more and I order a huge order of parts which take a year to come in. If you wait for it to break before ordering parts, you won't be shooting that gun until the parts come in.

Glock and 1911...parts are very available and often quite inexpensive. There are still US stores that will ship springs and parts to us, in addition to Canadian sources for these two guns.
 
+1 for Glock, and I think based on price you can afford to buy two or three Glocks rather than take your chances that a high priced chunk of metal will work. Glocks fire without much oil, which means less oil for dirt to stick to if dropped in dirt. Glocks also have a kit available so they can be fired underwater lol, so since you mention being dropped in water I figure that is applicable. I understand they don't have much power underwater, but its a gimmick.
 
scanlanr said:
+1 for Glock, and I think based on price you can afford to buy two or three Glocks rather than take your chances that a high priced chunk of metal will work. Glocks fire without much oil, which means less oil for dirt to stick to if dropped in dirt. Glocks also have a kit available so they can be fired underwater lol, so since you mention being dropped in water I figure that is applicable. I understand they don't have much power underwater, but its a gimmick.
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points to glock for its price... zero for its appearance...no flair, flamboyance....no...pizazz...thats the word...
 
I'm not a pistol expert, but I definitely would say if cash is an issue, combined with simplicity of use go with the glock, if not HK & Sig is your way too go. There are other great pistols out on the markets which will be fine, just think about how much you intend on shooting and what criteria you need to meet first! Also when making your purchase try the grip if it feels comfortable and the controls on the gun like mag release trigger pull seems good then that will help you make your decision.

Consider how the gun will feel with accessories such as flashlight and laser added on and if that changes your mind as and the ammo you intend on using, 9mm, 40, 45, 357....?

Weight?

Availability of parts to be replaces (as mentioned above) remember anything mechanical is prone to be broken?

Wear and tear?

What Holster you intend on buying for that particular model as well!

There are many things to consider, but remember who really only settles on 1 pistol anyways!
 
The question of durability should only be asked by those that shoot into the high single or tens of thousands of rounds a year. If you shoot a few hundred per range trip, or a few thousands of rounds a year, get whatever your heart desires.
 
I would have to say Glock, it is the AK 47 of pistols. Less parts so there are less parts to fail. No hammer or on frame safety, loose tolerances, abundance of inexpensive parts and after market support. Its affordable, eats every thing and has stood the test of time.
If you look into the larger caliber pistols you also have the option of swapping calibers with the change of a barrel. And the money you save buying a Glock over a HK/SIG would be well spent on ammo and there for trigger time.
If I was going to the end of the earth with a pistol in would be a Glock.
 
pirate604,

This is the point of my post. No disrespect to you but "I would have to say Glock"... doesn't hold any weight because you don't have any testing data to back up your statement. I do agree with you that sometimes buying a cheaper gun, like the Glock and more ammo is the way to go....but the point of this thread is "Most Durable Handgun",

The best, longest, most expensive, measuring different weights of sand in the sand chamber, endurance firing, dozens of gun samples (not my buddy took his Glock and I took my HK to the range one day and we learned....nothing from such a small testing sample....), testing and data supports Sig Sauer and HK.

The topic was not what is the best value, best IPSC gun, easiest to get parts, simplest...


Rich
 
I saw a really reliable glock 17 go full auto for about 4 rounds the other day at a match. OOPS! This guy put A lot of 9mm thru it over theyears. He actually had his slide replaced last year due to a crack.
 
Back in the late '90's I had a Glock 22 in 40SW. It was a fantastic piece of gear. I had replaced the guide rod with a Harrt guide rod...one of those stainless jobs filled with mercury and ball bearings. It helped a lot in taming muzzle jump. I put well over six thousand rounds through that gun one summer in practice and IPSC matches. The only failure I had was during a stage in a match when my trigger spring broke. It was an Alchemy Arms after market that lowered my trigger pull down to about 3 lbs.

I ended up selling it to fund another project.....hopefully I'll soon have another Glock.
 
get my first Glock on friday... tupperware here I come.. Don't be surprised to see it in EE with 50 rounds through next week lol
 
I'd have to put my vote for my CZ 75 (pre B). The thing has had the crap kicked out of it (by its previous owner...and it shows it) but it still fires like a champ. However, it is one ugly S.O.B. but I can't knock it's reliability and all steel composition.
 
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