Most modern operating "antique" ?

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I see some nice antique firearms but they all either take super rare rounds or are kind of old operating; I want a more modern firearm in a more modern caliber that I can actually shoot at the range.
Any suggestions?
Looking more centerfire than RF
 
I think that is just it. If it is in a "modern" calibre it won't be legally classified as an antique. And of course the easier it is to buy or handload ammo for the higher the price will be.

I'm interested in what pops up here that people suggest.

Do you have any antiques yet?


Fudd
 
There are replica firearms that fire modern rounds. The Schofield (Top Break Revolver) by Uberti comes to mind. They run between $725-775 (US). Regards, Richard:D

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ElmerFudd said:
I think that is just it. If it is in a "modern" calibre it won't be legally classified as an antique. And of course the easier it is to buy or handload ammo for the higher the price will be.

I'm interested in what pops up here that people suggest.

Do you have any antiques yet?


Fudd
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Not really. If it is an a listed caliber it is not an antique, there are many modern calibers not listed.
 
A red 9 would be the solution if u could prove it was made before 1898 - the 9mm conversion for the war doesnt count and 9 mm is still reasonably cheap
 
Yes, indeed ... a 9mm conversion Broomhandle would be ideal ... though it would probably be akin to burning paper money to do that conversion to an unaltered pre-1898 C96 pistol. But, as you say, if one could find a pistol that old which has already been converted, it would still qualify as antique!

That is the true irony of the Canadian definition of "antique' in relation to centerfire handguns - the biggest single criteria are that the specific firearm must have been originally manufactured "before 1898" and also not be chambered in (nor altered to accept) a relatively short list of specified cartridges. That list seems to be made up of what somebody considered to be "obsolete" cartridges which are still commercially loaded. But they apparently had only North American cartridges in mind, because any pre-1898-manufactured centerfire handgun is an antique unless "designed or adapted to discharge 32 Short Colt, 32 Long Colt, 32 Smith and Wesson, 32 Smith and Wesson Long, 32-20 Winchester, 38 Smith and Wesson; 38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt, 38-40 Winchester, 44-40 Winchester, or 45 Colt cartridges." That's it! Anything else is antique!
 
How about the old black power single shot pistols? Isn't a modern reproduction of a pre 1898 model available for purchase by anyone without a PAL?
 
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How about the old black power single shot pistols? Isn't a modern reproduction of a pre 1898 model available for purchase by anyone without a PAL?
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Nope, they are restricted or prohibited if made after 1898.

There are some Webleys in .45ACP around. Granted, you wouldn't be able to use factory ammo in it, and would have to reload nice and light using lead bullets.

Contrary to what many people think, just because a pre-1898 pistol can discharge "modern ammunition" doesn't mean that it is not antique. Even though some of those Webleys can discharge .38 S&W and such, if they weren't designed for that cartridge or further modified (in other words, if it is as it left the factory), they are antiques (in most cases). I am no lawyer, but this is how I understand it.

When it comes to antique pistols, most won't be able to take modern off the shelf ammo. Even if you had a Webley that could chamber .38S&W, it most likely will be unsafe to shoot it with stuff you can buy from Wholesale Sports. There are pics going around of people's guns who have tried to shoot regular FMJ factory ammo from their Webley MKII's converted to .45ACP...they're not pretty. Reloading is a necessity when it comes to the majority of center-fire antique class pistols.
 
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Nope, they are restricted or prohibited if made after 1898.
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Well, almost ... the cutoff isn't the end of 1898 - rather, to qualify as "antique" in Canada an original firearm must have been manufactured before 1898 ... in other words, can't have been made after 1897.

However, what mtallman says is otherwise right on the money - another example of the idiotic inconsistencies in Canada's firearms laws. A reproduction flintlock (or matchlock) long gun is classed as an 'antique' exempt from registration or PAL requirement, although a repro percussion lock long gun is still subject to all restrictions. But no post-1897 handgun is exempt - even if it is a flintlock or matchlock - presumably simply because it is a handgun ... and therefore inherently evil, I guess. :rolleyes: We can all sleep much more soundly at night, knowing that those incredibly dangerous modern-made caplock Kentucky pistols, percussion revolvers and such have been safely controlled by our lawmakers .... :bsFlag:

Yet a much more effective and accurate handgun, such as a pre-1898 .450 or .455 Webley or the like, is an antique. Apparently they are somehow immune to the natural villainy they would otherwise be guilty of as "handguns" ( :eek: ) merely by virtue of their venerable age, since we obviously don't hear of a rash of murders or other heinous crimes being committed with them ... despite being unregistered and capable of being bought and sold openly without a Licence!
 
It just goes to show that gun control laws aren't going to stop a criminal from commiting crimes. Anyone can buy an antique class revolver without a licsense that doesn't need to be registered, but how many have you seen used in crimes? If the easy availabiliy of guns means more crime, why don't we see "gangsters" running around with Webley MKI's?
Of course, a criminal is not going to pay $1500 for a legal pistol and handload his own ammo, he's going to go to his drug dealing friend and buy an unregistered 12.6 for $300. Much less would he buy a flintlock pistol :p.
 
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