Most powerfull 12gauge slug

If you want penetration, factory ammo is not the answer.
You'd have to cast your own "hard" lead slugs and power them accordingly.
And remember, the most powerful slugs are also the most punishing. Followup shots are not easy. Cheek weld on the stock is not encouraged.
 
If you want penetration, factory ammo is not the answer.
You'd have to cast your own "hard" lead slugs and power them accordingly.
And remember, the most powerful slugs are also the most punishing. Followup shots are not easy. Cheek weld on the stock is not encouraged.

Without a solid repeatable cheek weld, you won't hit anything, and it doesn't matter if you're shooting a .22 Short or a .600 Nitro Express. Suffice to say, if you haven't mastered the principles of basic marksmanship, and developed suitable gun handling skills, a real world defensive shooting scenario is not the place to learn. It is advisable to use low recoil ammunition, such as the law enforcement, or managed recoil stuff, while developing these skills, since it allows longer range sessions before fatigue forces you to stop, or worse, you develop a flinch. But a gun that fits correctly, combined with a good shooting technique are the best solutions to recoil management.

If the LOP is on the short side, the effects of felt recoil are less than if its too long. At the beginning, confine your shooting to off hand, that is, take a boxer's stance with your feet placed approximately shoulder width apart. With your forward foot towards the target, and the gun at your shoulder, flex your forward knee, and shift your weight over it. Once the gunbutt is positioned in the pocket of your shoulder, lower your elbow to close the pocket and protect the shoulder joint from recoil. Position your cheek in contact ith the comb of the stock, in such a way that you can see the sights or the bead over the height of the receiver, put the front sight on the target, shift your focus to the front sight, and press the trigger. The result is a hit.

Once you have the basics down, and have come to the understanding that 12 gauge recoil is inconsequential, you can begin shooting from, kneeling, kneeling supported, sitting supported, prone, and roll-over prone positions. By this time you should be able to start adding full power loads to your repertoire. Confine your shooting to typical defensive ranges, say from 3 to 25 yards. From this point you can begin work on snap shooting techniques, and moving targets.

On the question of home cast shotgun slugs, these are unlikely to prove to be as effective on game as the heavy Brenneke style slugs. Shotgun slugs are not made like rifle bullets, rather they are essentially thimble shaped projectiles, and under near range, full velocity impacts, the thimble has a tendency to collapse, and the resulting pancake, produces little penetration, the result being a wounded animal. What makes the Brennekes and their various clones different is the pedestal that the wad attaches to. The pedestal provides greater support for the integrity of the slug, yet allows the slug to compress, and pass safely through a choked barrel.
 
Without a solid repeatable cheek weld, you won't hit anything, and it doesn't matter if you're shooting a .22 Short or a .600 Nitro Express. Suffice to say, if you haven't mastered the principles of basic marksmanship, and developed suitable gun handling skills, a real world defensive shooting scenario is not the place to learn. It is advisable to use low recoil ammunition, such as the law enforcement, or managed recoil stuff, while developing these skills, since it allows longer range sessions before fatigue forces you to stop, or worse, you develop a flinch. But a gun that fits correctly, combined with a good shooting technique are the best solutions to recoil management.

If the LOP is on the short side, the effects of felt recoil are less than if its too long. At the beginning, confine your shooting to off hand, that is, take a boxer's stance with your feet placed approximately shoulder width apart. With your forward foot towards the target, and the gun at your shoulder, flex your forward knee, and shift your weight over it. Once the gunbutt is positioned in the pocket of your shoulder, lower your elbow to close the pocket and protect the shoulder joint from recoil. Position your cheek in contact ith the comb of the stock, in such a way that you can see the sights or the bead over the height of the receiver, put the front sight on the target, shift your focus to the front sight, and press the trigger. The result is a hit.

Once you have the basics down, and have come to the understanding that 12 gauge recoil is inconsequential, you can begin shooting from, kneeling, kneeling supported, sitting supported, prone, and roll-over prone positions. By this time you should be able to start adding full power loads to your repertoire. Confine your shooting to typical defensive ranges, say from 3 to 25 yards. From this point you can begin work on snap shooting techniques, and moving targets.

On the question of home cast shotgun slugs, these are unlikely to prove to be as effective on game as the heavy Brenneke style slugs. Shotgun slugs are not made like rifle bullets, rather they are essentially thimble shaped projectiles, and under near range, full velocity impacts, the thimble has a tendency to collapse, and the resulting pancake, produces little penetration, the result being a wounded animal. What makes the Brennekes and their various clones different is the pedestal that the wad attaches to. The pedestal provides greater support for the integrity of the slug, yet allows the slug to compress, and pass safely through a choked barrel.

Very nice theory you got there but the 3" slug recoil is nowhere near "inconsequential". With a good cheek weld it rattles one's brain. Concussion in medical terms. You don't want too many of those.
Your mileage may vary or perhaps your shotgun is mighty heavy but I hope you get what I'm hinting at.
Also, check the lee key slug. It doesn't pancake. There are videos on youtube on the subject.
 
Very nice theory you got there but the 3" slug recoil is nowhere near "inconsequential". With a good cheek weld it rattles one's brain. Concussion in medical terms. You don't want too many of those.
Your mileage may vary or perhaps your shotgun is mighty heavy but I hope you get what I'm hinting at.
Also, check the lee key slug. It doesn't pancake. There are videos on youtube on the subject.

If your loads are causing you that much discomfort, chances are they're too much for you. A gun you are unable to hold and shoot correctly due to recoil, is too much to use in a defensive shooting scenario.

As for the suitability of the home cast slug, casting is unlikely something the OP would consider.
 
I recently found Score slugs 25 for $23 get me shooting my Rem 870 with a 14" Dlask Arms barrel again had so much fun with it I just bought from Wolverine Supply an orange Magpul SGA buttstock and forend for it.

Finally got out this afternoon and shot it with my Leupold 1x Prismatic scope shooting freehand I put 6 2 3/4" 1 oz Score slugs into 5" @ 50 yards not bad for a 35 year old Rem 870 12 gauge.

Boomer thanks for the thoughts on the Challenger slugs I see Cabela's has stock I'll score some this week and give them a try.
 
Please note Boomer's comments about penetration. Power means nothing if it just cause the slug to flatten and blow up.

A bear situation may call for deep penetration through fat, muscle and bones. An ordinary slug will not suffice. I have a few boxes of Brenneke that I would carry. I would have to think long and hard before being convinced to try something else.
 
Very nice theory you got there but the 3" slug recoil is nowhere near "inconsequential". With a good cheek weld it rattles one's brain. Concussion in medical terms. You don't want too many of those.
Your mileage may vary or perhaps your shotgun is mighty heavy but I hope you get what I'm hinting at.
Also, check the lee key slug. It doesn't pancake. There are videos on youtube on the subject.

If the lee 'key' slug was so wonderful, I would suggest the Alaskan State Police and Alaskan Wilderness Firefighters would be using them right now legion.

But they are not.

Take a wild guess what they issue/use for moose and bear destruction??
 
Very nice theory you got there but the 3" slug recoil is nowhere near "inconsequential". With a good cheek weld it rattles one's brain. Concussion in medical terms. You don't want too many of those.
Your mileage may vary or perhaps your shotgun is mighty heavy but I hope you get what I'm hinting at.
Also, check the lee key slug. It doesn't pancake. There are videos on youtube on the subject.

I must be recoil insensitive, as I don't find 3" slugs much worse than 2 3/4". I just ran a bunch through my 12.5" grizzly yesterday with an adjustable stock on it and no recoil pad, I'm not a fan of 3" magnum loads though. Man those kick like a mule lol, I find how you hold and get set up for the shot will help manage recoil. Like I said though, I don't mind recoil for the most part.
 
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