Most reliable MilSurp action

[smellie]

If the fit ever does hit the proverbial shan, I will be found hiding in the bluff out in the SE quarter. I will have a scoped Ross for range. But if I need a snap shot or 10, I will have one of my old Smellies.

Lee action is quite simply the smoothest, slickest 4-motion bolt ever made. Gawd, I wish they had built some in 7x57!!!!

 

[Ruger30-06]

OK, a couple of comments;
The Enfield handles gas from a pierced primer better than a mouser.
The enfield is quite strong enough for the cartridge it was chambered for, so saying the mouser is stronger is irrelevant.
The reason there are more mousers is because the germans had a VERY AGRESSIVE sales department, offering to make the mouser in any shape or style the customer wanted.
The enfield was built for the military in government factories, the mouser was built by lots of different firms.
The enfield cocks on closing where the mechanical advantage is grester.
Either rifle will do the job it was intended to do.
If there were real feeding problems with the enfield, hundreds of thousands of germans japs, italians, and many other folks would still be around.

Now the Moisen is certainly simple, but that's all I can say about it. Ergonomicaly it's not all that good.

Lets translate:
mouser = Mauser
moisen = Mosin

 

[BBq_Woa!]

Mosin.

 

[Calum]

I voted for the Mosin. Simple design, rugged and lets face it WW2 was won by the Russians and their Mosin Nagants.

+2. All three have their strengths and weaknesses, but the Mosin is IMHO the king among them for the battlefield. It's simply in function, easy to maintain, reliable, and uses a powerful cartridge.

 

[ian_in_vic]

While the Mosin probably did win the Second World War, the Enfield subdued a large part of the planet for a fairly long time, and it (the Mosin) didn't play too much of a part in the first go around - most people forget that.

 

[David K]

..... Admittedly, I've no experience with the Mosin, I voted for the Mauser simply because of the "case separation" issue/potential of the Lee Enfield. From my own experience with the Mauser 98 ( mostly based on the Israeli conversions to 7.62 ) the feeding system is not as reliable as often touted. ..... There was a reason the British developed and used a "stuck case removal tool" and issued it fairly widely !! ..... David K. ....

 

[Rod B]

I voted for the Mosin. Simple design, rugged and lets face it WW2 was won by the Russians and their Mosin Nagants.

I prefer shooting an Enfield.



Your incorrect on this statement. The AIA "enfields" are still in production.

Yep, the Ruskies who signed the non aggression pact with Hitler. The same bastards who held the world to ransom for fifty years with their communist manifesto, world domination.

The Russians lost many men to the Germans, however WW2 was lost & won on many fronts.

 

[tiriaq]

From my own experience with the Mauser 98 ( mostly based on the Israeli conversions to 7.62 ) the feeding system is not as reliable as often touted. ..... There was a reason the British developed and used a "stuck case removal tool" and issued it fairly widely !! ..... David K.

The Israeli 7.62s are conversions. Generally Mauser receivers were machined for one specific cartridge. They used at least two different systems of converting the magazines, so they must have been aware of feeding issues.

Just about everyone used broken shell extractors. The one for .45-70 Springfields screwed onto the end of the rod and was used from the muzzle. These were widely available for most early commercial cartridges. I have one for a .280 Ross. I suspect that you don't see them much anymore because of improved ammunition quality.

 

[Cocked&Locked]

Yep, the Ruskies who signed the non aggression pact with Hitler. The same bastards who held the world to ransom for fifty years with their communist manifesto, world domination.

The Russians lost many men to the Germans, however WW2 was lost & won on many fronts.

true, but 75% of german casualties where inflicted by the russians.....

 

[Dave from Alberta]

I own one of the AIA .308's. Lovely little target and bush rifle. Never had any issue with it at all.

When it comes to reliability, there is no need to own the MOST reliable thing out there. You just need to decide what level of reliability denotes excellence and pick one of the many that surpasses that mark.

 

[JP]

- Action strength, extraction and magazine design are superior on the Mauser.

- Magazines on the Enfield and Mosin are more prone to jams because of the rimmed cartridges.

 

[John Sukey]

Action strength? Thats IRRELEVANT! The Enfield action is quite strong enough for the cartridge is uses.
If you want to compare strength, the 6.5 Arisaka action will withstand pressures that would turn a mouser into shrapnel. And that has been proven by actual test.

Magazine design? Yeah suuure

Extraction? also irrelevant. If that was a problem, in the over 100 years that the enfield has been in service, nobody has complained about that.

Now if you want to use one of those nuclear powered sporting rounds that will kill a deer at 10'000 yds, you would have a point.

But the enfield was designed to kill people and it does that very well.

 

[wobbles99]

I don't hear any of the rangers complaining about the enfield's reliability.

 

[slicknick]

While I do love my Msin to peices, I cannot say that it 'won' WW2. Seems to me that what killed all those Germans was immense numbers of tanks, artillery, planes and sub-machine guns. At least, that's the impression I get from whatever reading material I find

 

[JP]

Yes as an overall combat rifle the Enfield is superior, but mechanically I think less things can go wrong on a Mauser.

 

[happydude]

To JP's comment, I've had my Mosin jam up to the point of requiring partial disassembly because of a cartridge jamming in the magazine. The rimmed rounds that the LE and MN fire are their greatest weaknesses, but the MN is so bloody simple.

 

[Big JD-From the hills]

I have had my mauser and LE jamb on me. I absolutly hate the LE mag with the dang forward ears wtf. My mosins have been 110% and would be the one I would trust 100%

 

[Calum]

IMHO If one is jamming a Mosin while closing the bolt then they don't know what they are doing...the action is meant to have allot of movement to prevent this.
In my experience a simply wiggle on the bolt handle will suffice to move to cartridge off the other cartridges rim.

Also Mosins have proven themselves to work under very brutal conditions...ie, packed with mud, dirt, and ice.

They work, period.

 

[Gibbs505]

IMHO If one is jamming a Mosin while closing the bolt then they don't know what they are doing...the action is meant to have allot of movement to prevent this.
In my experience a simply wiggle on the bolt handle will suffice to move to cartridge off the other cartridges rim.

Also Mosins have proven themselves to work under very brutal conditions...ie, packed with mud, dirt, and ice.

They work, period.

The same for the Lee Enfield.

 

[BUSHMAN79]

I voted for the Mosin based on its simplicity, accuracy, reliability and ease of maintenance. I love the Lee-Enfields, but they really do require an occasional visit to the armourer to keep them healthy. The Mauser is very reliable, but can be easily rendered useless by dropping a round directly into a dirty chamber and trying to close the bolt on it. Then you would have to find two other Mausers to put together a cleaning rod to clear the jam. A Mosin Nagant can be maintained easily in the field, and be totally stripped in a few minutes using only the bayonet. They almost never jam, and almost anyone can be trained to use one.