Mounting a scope on my Swiss Arms

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Slowbalt

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Hey all,
I may be the new owner of a Black Special monday:D:rockOn: But I am wondering how to mount optics on it. Saw Wolverine and TSE sells 2 different mounts at around 200$ each. But I have no idea which is which and how they work. What are my options? Also is there any rings that allow to remove the scope and re-install without loosing zero? For these days where you feel like shooting a regular issue rifle. One last question : How is shooting from the integrated bipod? Is it a stable shooting platform or just good to raise the rifle to take pictures ?

P.S. I am looking at the normal model, with diopter sights. Also, will the mounts require drilling or altering in any way the rifle?
 
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I have the BS 'target' with the full rail on the top and I assume the mounts you are looking at are similar. Depending on how the rail sits with repect to your irons, you will have choose rings and a scope with proper eye relief and ring height, which may limit your choices some what. I use Night Force rings on mine, and they come off and on with no loss of zero, unless you bash them around or something I suppose. I think with rings you sort of get what you pay for as far as stability and secure mounting goes. I'd like a one piece Night Force ring/base setup for my next rifle though.....maybe.
 
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Any standard picatinny style rings will work. ARMS makes several models with throw levers that allow easy on/off with minimal loss of zero.
 
The real question here is : Is there other good mounting options apart from the ones TSE and Wolverine sells? And do they require gunsmithing or can they be secured to the rifle without any alterations? How much $$ am I looking at?
 
I forgot to mention, I love the bipod.....works great as far as I am concerned. And I would stick with a good quality rail....but they are a little pricier.
 
Slowbalt said:
The real question here is : Is there other good mounting options apart from the ones TSE and Wolverine sells? And do they require gunsmithing or can they be secured to the rifle without any alterations? How much $$ am I looking at?
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Either mount available from TSE or Wolverine Supplies will work quite well. No permanent alteration of the rifle is required. Check out the picture below that was posted by another fellow CGN'er. Note where the mount attaches to the block in front of the diopter rear sight.

If you keep your eye out, you can occasionally find a mount in good, used condition in the EE, but they're pretty rare. Best bet is to break down and buy one from TSE or Wolverine. I think the one the latter co. carries runs something like $175?? All things SIG/Swiss Arms is a little pricey, but its worth it, although it sure would be great if the mags ran as cheap as AR...I guess that's where volume gets factored into the equation.:)

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Great to know that they do not require gunsmithing. Among the twos which one would be the best and why? Also are the ARMS quick detatch clones any good for a start? ( will upgrade as money becomes less of a problem )
 
Slowbalt said:
Hey all,
I may be the new owner of a Black Special monday:D:rockOn: But I am wondering how to mount optics on it. Saw Wolverine and TSE sells 2 different mounts at around 200$ each. But I have no idea which is which and how they work. What are my options? Also is there any rings that allow to remove the scope and re-install without loosing zero? For these days where you feel like shooting a regular issue rifle. One last question : How is shooting from the integrated bipod? Is it a stable shooting platform or just good to raise the rifle to take pictures ?

P.S. I am looking at the normal model, with diopter sights. Also, will the mounts require drilling or altering in any way the rifle?
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I have a target model with the integrated rail, so can't really say which mount for the diopter sighted models works best.
I have seen the ones set up with the optics over the sights, and to me this seems excessively high without a cheek piece, but to each his own. The original design of the butt is to be used with irons, so it makes sense to set the optics to the same height as the oem iron sights.

For rings, you could do any that work with a picitinny rail, and mount via a nut. If the nut is torqued on consistantly (ie. torque wrench), and the rings are always placed in the same location on the rail, then theorectically you zero should not change. If it does, it is unlikely to change by much. It is also very likely that once the optic is on, you will not swap it on and off.

The oem bi-pod will change the point of impact of your groups. Not sure by how much, but iirc, it can be in the neighborhood of 3 moa.
 
I'm using the B&T rail. No problems and it works like a charm. Depending on the optics you go with, you may need either high rings or an additional base to give you the necessary height to clear the rear diopter sight. ARMS products are of good quality for the money, but there are better products out there with attendant increases in price. If you have a skinny face, you might want to pick up the buttstock cheekpiece accessors for the Swiss Arms rifles to comfortably raise your head far enough to gain a proper sight picture.
 
Slowbalt said:
What do you mean? By using it vs. benchrest?
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It is my understanding that shooting off the bipod (say in the prone position with the rifle's weight resting on the bipod) can, and will change your point of impact from if you are shooting it by holding the handguards.
This effect may or may not show at closer ranges, but does as you walk it back (400-500m). I personally have never shot off the bipod for this very reason; mind you, I've never tested it either.

I don't really understand how or why -it just does.
(While it seems reasonable that the weight placed as a point load on the bipod flexes the barrel, It doesn't really add up when you consider the bipod is attached to the lower handguard.)
 
How does the rail mounts to the sights exactly? Could it be possible to remove the mount and scope in one piece? How much would it alter zero?
 
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How does the rail mounts to the sights exactly? Could it be possible to remove the mount and scope in one piece? How much would it alter zero?
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tonge and grove on one side and a indent on the other for screw to tighten to. the rail will never bed into the rifle the same way twice and you will loose zero, plus it would be a pain to do each time.
 
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Dho... Could have bet money on it but I guess it was worth the question... ARMS will be the way to go I figure...
 
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