Mp44 back in production
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Problem is, an importer would have to have enough up front capital to make importation worthwhile. Also, you would have to risk the 3K for the first specimen that goes to the RCMP for testing. A real possibility exists they will deny the application for importation, claiming it's too easily converted or whatever and you'll be out the money on that gun.
In other words, unless Marstar or Lever or Wolverine or someone else sufficiently large decides to try this out, forget importation.
To do this with VZ's that the importers are likely paying around $200 plus expenses for is one thing, to do it with a 3K rifle and pin its fate entirely to both the CFC and the RCMP agreeing on it, is another thing entirely...
In other words, unless Marstar or Lever or Wolverine or someone else sufficiently large decides to try this out, forget importation.
To do this with VZ's that the importers are likely paying around $200 plus expenses for is one thing, to do it with a 3K rifle and pin its fate entirely to both the CFC and the RCMP agreeing on it, is another thing entirely...
I wonder if the manufacturer would supply a set of prints to a prospective importer. These could be submitted for examination, and if preliminary study indicated that the design was mechanically acceptable, a physical inspection could be arranged.
tiriaq said:
That makes too much sense for the RCMP to agree to it
And besides, there would be a caveat that they could still deny importation. Or for that matter (and more likely IMHO), their "experts" probably aren't engineers capable of scrutinizing the design on paper and they might deny it out of ignorance.
Might take a while to fill a container.....
Actually, Marstar has the experience to do the import, and certainly has the customer base.
I'd really have to twist my arm to buy one, but would certainly be interested in seeing one. From the website, it looks as if they are trying to do a very accurate reproduction. Using machined forgings for the mechanical parts, rather than castings, is serious. Making the forging dies would require just as much effort as making the dies to injection mould wax, and when you've got the rough part, the forging requires more finishing.
Actually, Marstar has the experience to do the import, and certainly has the customer base.
I'd really have to twist my arm to buy one, but would certainly be interested in seeing one. From the website, it looks as if they are trying to do a very accurate reproduction. Using machined forgings for the mechanical parts, rather than castings, is serious. Making the forging dies would require just as much effort as making the dies to injection mould wax, and when you've got the rough part, the forging requires more finishing.
So if there's indeed a Canadian importer looking into these, the question is....which to get? The MP38 would be much cheaper to feed, but the MP44 is just too cool to pass up.
(and YES, I know the correct answer is "both of them" but I'm pretending to be realistic with my finances here)
(and YES, I know the correct answer is "both of them" but I'm pretending to be realistic with my finances here)
I too was surprised to see the use of machined forgings. The manufacturer obviously has ALOT of money tied up in the manufacture with a great exepectation of a return on their investment to take this route.
Are these being sold in any markets other than Germany and possibly Canada? Surely, the USA must be their primary target market???
Even at 2000 Euro for one of these, I'd have to think they'd need to sell on the order of several thousand units just to break even on R&D costs, die tooling, CNC mill programming, etc.
Are these being sold in any markets other than Germany and possibly Canada? Surely, the USA must be their primary target market???
Even at 2000 Euro for one of these, I'd have to think they'd need to sell on the order of several thousand units just to break even on R&D costs, die tooling, CNC mill programming, etc.
I wonder if the rifle would be importable into the US? What are the US rules these days for importation of "assault rifles"? The barrel is long enough.
The sheet metal work is more complicated than on a G3. The upper receiver is similar, the lower is more complicated. Very serious undertaking.
The sheet metal work is more complicated than on a G3. The upper receiver is similar, the lower is more complicated. Very serious undertaking.
This is interesting, according to the MP38 page, they even reproduce the correct WaA atampings with the exception that firing proof egles have tiny X's instead of swastikas. I suspect this is likely a wise decision in light of modern-day political correctness... lol. I think a small chisel could make it non-PC again if someone so desired...
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.ssd-weapon.com/produkte/bd38/stempelung_bd38.htm
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.ssd-weapon.com/produkte/bd38/stempelung_bd38.htm
Knowing their past penchant for classifying things according to evil looks rather than function (AR15), I think it would be wishful thinking. Who knows with their goofy, subjective rules? Ten rounds would be a lot more fun, that's for sure.
That is great news that a Canadian importer is already on it. As much as they cost, I would probably get one of each.... eventually.....
That is great news that a Canadian importer is already on it. As much as they cost, I would probably get one of each.... eventually.....
Light Infantry said:Could it be that they have the original machinery etc from the 40's?
Just a thought.
LI
I doubt it. As I understand it, the machinery was captured by the Soviets, so if it still exists, it's probably building farm tractor parts in Siberia or something.
