Mud Test, Enfield, very interesting

The gunk he calls "mud" looks to me like there's a lot of poorly sorted sand grade material and even coarser. A real clay-mud (like, for example might have been found around trenches in France) would be much more uniform and affect mechanisms differently. He needs to try to get a wee bit more scientific with these "tests"- describe the material accurately.

milsurpo
 
milsurpo said:
The gunk he calls "mud" looks to me like there's a lot of poorly sorted sand grade material and even coarser. A real clay-mud (like, for example might have been found around trenches in France) would be much more uniform and affect mechanisms differently. He needs to try to get a wee bit more scientific with these "tests"- describe the material accurately.

milsurpo
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I think you are taking this too seriously.
 
^^^

His point was valid, the kind of mud they produce for these tests is not commonly encountered in nature.
 
It would be more realistic if soldiers in the trenches regularly shoveled mud over their rifles 30 seconds before contact with the enemy. If it was very difficult to clean your rifle after dropping it in the mud (which would occasionally happen), that would be an issue.
 
There was more to WW1 Pedology than just the certain French farmland areas on the Western Front.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_engagements_of_World_War_I

Contents [hide]
1 Western Front
1.1 Battle of the Frontiers
2 Italian Campaign
3 Eastern Front
4 Romanian Campaign
5 Caucasus Campaign
6 Serbian Campaign
7 Gallipoli Campaign
8 Macedonian Front
9 Sinai and Palestine Campaign
10 Mesopotamian Campaign
11 African Campaign
12 Naval engagements
12.1 Atlantic Theatre
12.2 Mediterranean
12.3 Asia-Pacific Theatre
13 Air engagements
14 Contemporary wars
14.1 Pre-World War I
14.2 During World War I
14.3 Post-World War I
15 References
16 Sources
 
Enfields have passed 2 tests: WW1 and WW2

This is why soldiers are trained to:

1- keep their weapons clean in every conditions; and

2- fall with their weapon so the weapon doesnt end up muddy like that
 
If it ever rains hard enough in the Southwestern U.S. desert (where InRange is located) for there to be enough mud to submerge a rifle in, you can probably quickly wash it off in a nearby flash flood stream or what have you.
 
diopter said:
There was more to WW1 Pedology than just the certain French farmland areas on the Western Front.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_engagements_of_World_War_I

Contents [hide]
1 Western Front
1.1 Battle of the Frontiers
2 Italian Campaign
3 Eastern Front
4 Romanian Campaign
5 Caucasus Campaign
6 Serbian Campaign
7 Gallipoli Campaign
8 Macedonian Front
9 Sinai and Palestine Campaign
10 Mesopotamian Campaign
11 African Campaign
12 Naval engagements
12.1 Atlantic Theatre
12.2 Mediterranean
12.3 Asia-Pacific Theatre
13 Air engagements
14 Contemporary wars
14.1 Pre-World War I
14.2 During World War I
14.3 Post-World War I
15 References
16 Sources
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True enough, Diopter. At Gallipoli, for example, troops that waded or swam ashore often found their SMLE's locked up solidly. The culprit, in this case, was the well sorted, fine sand in suspension in the surf. Gallipoli was, of course, just a "sideshow" and SMLE's gained their reputation for reliability in "certain French farmland areas" but it probably surprises fans of the Lee Enfield that they can be unreliable under certain circumstances. These circumstances are well documented in historical literature. The video being discussed doesn't add much as they don't describe the sediment.

milsurpo
 
And for all the reasons identified above (and probably more) a good deal of attention was also paid to the design and employment of bayonets. They still work in the mud...and water.
 
To be fair, they never advertise it as extremely scientific, in fact on many of their earlier mud tests, they specifically comment on how it is only representative of that specific type of mud which they have.

It is also somewhat scientific in that they do the same trial no matter what the rifle is, which leads to a fair comparison. Even if that comparison is only in this specific type of conditions, this rifle can act this way, it is still fair. Their comment on action covers is still very accurate as the reality is if any bolt action was dirt proof they wouldn't have created them in the first place.
 
I once fell in the mud while carrying a hunting rifle. I was able to take it to a lake and swish the dirt on mud off it, but the mud rammed into the muzzle was more of a challenge.

A twig got most of it out, and then I pissed into the chamber end. That worked.
 
Ganderite said:
I once fell in the mud while carrying a hunting rifle. I was able to take it to a lake and swish the dirt on mud off it, but the mud rammed into the muzzle was more of a challenge.

A twig got most of it out, and then I pissed into the chamber end. That worked.
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Big bore I hope? Lmfao
 
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