Oh he!!, I'm just being an a$$, and poking at Jerry a little. I've talked with him and dealt with him mare than a few times over the years. The man is truly a wealth of knowledge, and I appreciate the times that he has taken time out of his schedule for the conversations. Things that I struggle with, he just makes them seem so easy. He's great at breaking down the complex things so that an old redneck like me can understand them.
multi-caliber rifle vs multiple rifles. who's taken the plunge?
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Oh he!!, I'm just being an a$$, and poking at Jerry a little. I've talked with him and dealt with him mare than a few times over the years. The man is truly a wealth of knowledge, and I appreciate the times that he has taken time out of his schedule for the conversations. Things that I struggle with, he just makes them seem so easy. He's great at breaking down the complex things so that an old redneck like me can understand them.
diabeticfreak
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I want to buy a Drilling if that counts. Too bad none of them are in readily avaliable calibres.
I'd agree it's good training/learning to really stretch out short action calibers but with the caveat that it kinda depends on your geography/topography. Around here, on the coast, if you're shooting at extended range it's generally into cut blocks or logging slashes which often makes it impossible to spot splash, especially if it's wet. I've shot my 6s and 6.5s out to 1500 and 1600 yards some days to great effect but sometimes you just can't see anything, even with a spotter (it's real easy to lose trace as it drops down from max ord when there is a whole bunch of foliage behind). In those cases, a boomer like my .300NM makes life a lot easier as the splash is much more evident as is the energy on the plates, haha.
That's true, not all environments are conducive to spotting small projectile splash at distance. From that aspect, I've done the vast majority of my ELR shooting in the vast desert, which is generally much more friendly for spotting splash then what you shoot in.
eaglefirearmstisdale
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A fluted and threaded Kraken barrel MSRP is $1398.95. Bolt is $633.95 and conversion adapter kit is $146.95.
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eaglefirearmstisdale
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Yes if you are swapping different groups, there are 3 different groups. You will also need the tool kit, it's $553.95 for the complete and $393.95 for the basic.
Just upgraded my action.
I spun up a 6.5 prc,6.5 creedmoor and a 6x47 lapua barrel for it.
The prc is going to be for playing past 1k, the creedmoor is to use up a bunch of old components that I have for practice and the 6x47 I’m going to try for prs competition.
The changeable bolt head is a nice feature once I use up the creedmoor stuff I might do a 223 for practice.
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Mystic Precision
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Thanks Jerry
Looks like an ultimatum deadline
Thanks!
I went this way awhile ago although I don't sell fur so if I did I'd probably have a dedicated coyote rig. I took the love child of the 6.5CM and the .223 and just built around it. The 6.5 Grendel (introduced 2004), the 6.5CM (introduced in 2008) so the Grendel was actually here first. Sure the 6.5CM burns 43 grains of powder and the .223 somewhere around mid 20 grains would be my guess. The 6.5 Grendel burns 30 and loves the 123gr bullets. We've got 8 head of big game now, average shot distance 170 yards with average recovery distance of 10 yards, coyotes don't like em either, have at least 4 of them as well. We've got moose, sheep, both deer and black bear so far, zero issues, a joy to shoot and does it all. A 21st century 30-30 is what the Grendel is. The two most efficient users of powder going are the 6.5CM and 6.5G, one could think of the 6.5G as the 6.5CM Short.
No switch barrels needed, can kill 3rd class game to 400 yards, deer as far as you might try. My 16" barrel 6.5G still has 1800 fps to just over 400 yards with 123gr Hornady Factory ammo, a 24" barrel would be 520 yards (15 yards per inch of barrel length gain fyi). Since our hunting will be exclusively under 400 for big game and can still dial up coyotes as far as we like...the 6.5CM was just a little overkill haha. 4 seasons (fourth not quite done yet, looking for a doe or two this weekend) and we are very happy with what we've done with the 6.5G in Alberta.The 6.5CM gets my nod as the most efficient period as it can stretch its legs a couple hundred yards further with a higher SD/BC bullet to boot. 600 yards is nothing for it and the bullets are well up in the SD range for class 3 game work. We don't care much about trophies and have no problem working our way closer but we predator call plenty in winter although not to sell hides so we've found our blend in one cartridge with the 6.5G.
Other things I like about 6.5G is 52,000 psi cartridge, barrel life should be limitless in bolt action rifles and ammo affordable. Also anyone shoots it well, so put in chassis with adjustable lop has been fantastic for the kids, the Ruger allows 10 round mags as well so that's a bonus (AR Pistol Mags). Rifle choices a bit limited however being AR length cartridge, CZ, Ruger, Howa...I've built them all up and prefer the Ruger American platform as the no gunsmith working man option, holds 3/4 moa for me out to 500 with Hornady factory ammo for 3 shot groups.
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My feeling on swapping barrels is that it is best for guys who live on farms where they can zero the rifle in the back yard.
If you live in the city and have to drive to a range and work around the range hours, the reality of zero confirmation just gets to be a pain.
Cost is a major consideration though and that might be a key factor to consider. By the time you add up all the accessories needed to outfit an entire second rifle, it is certainly less expensive to be just a barrel away from another caliber.
To me, I have a rifle that I prefer to use most of the time, and all other rifles become closet queens and it becomes hard to justify keeping them when I consider how infrequently they are used. So, one well selected rifle is the best way to control costs.
If you live in the city and have to drive to a range and work around the range hours, the reality of zero confirmation just gets to be a pain.
Cost is a major consideration though and that might be a key factor to consider. By the time you add up all the accessories needed to outfit an entire second rifle, it is certainly less expensive to be just a barrel away from another caliber.
To me, I have a rifle that I prefer to use most of the time, and all other rifles become closet queens and it becomes hard to justify keeping them when I consider how infrequently they are used. So, one well selected rifle is the best way to control costs.
Depends On the Rifle IMO, The kraken is a constant repeatable zero. I went to the range with it once, figured out my zeros for both 6.5x47 and 300 Norma Barrels, set my zero for the higher of the two and recorded the difference. Switch barrels dial and adjust to a different zero thats already recorded. Pretty amazing if you ask me.
I would agree that "quick barrel change" systems are mostly a novelty, filling a niche role.
The majority of people I know that wanted a "quick change" system have moved to dedicated rifles. The novelty of constantly swapping barrels, bolts, zeros, mags, etc. wears off after a while.
The majority of people I know that wanted a "quick change" system have moved to dedicated rifles. The novelty of constantly swapping barrels, bolts, zeros, mags, etc. wears off after a while.
