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In another thread, folks were mentioning museums and how we wish we had them here. So I thought I would post pics from my trip back in 07 to Poland. Here are the 3 must see museums in Warsaw, in order:

WP Museum - Wojska Polskiego, which means Polish Army. These pics are from the outside. Inside, there is swords and armor dating back 1000 years, and no photography allowed inside. A guy could spend all day in there!
http://s247.photobucket.com/albums/gg126/theoriginalstoggie/WP Museum/?albumview=slideshow

Warsaw Uprising Museum - a new museum now that Poland is allowed to be proud for standing up for itself.
http://s247.photobucket.com/albums/...e/Warsaw Uprising Museum/?albumview=slideshow

Katyn Museum - A small museum inside, but worth it. No pics allowed, but I managed to get a couple before I was told not to. Outside, look at all the toys!!! Again, newer museum now that the Poles are allowed to tell the world what happened.
http://s247.photobucket.com/albums/gg126/theoriginalstoggie/Katyn Museum/?albumview=slideshow


Now, does anyone have pics from Museums anywhere else in the world? Please post!
 
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Warsaw Uprising Museum - Wow lots of history happening here! That MP40 is pretty ###ual :)

I am actually half Polish but all my father's side have passed and i dont know zip about my Polish history and roots, gets me pretty angry sometimes. What did you mean by "Now that the Poles are allowed to tell the world what happened."


Oh thanks for the nice pics!
 
NOW they are allowed to say that their great and glorious Soviet allies did it, rather than the disgusting, foul Nazis who got the blame for it.

The Germans actually pulled British and US medical people out of POW camps to be witnesses at the time that the Katyn exhumations were actually going on. OUR guys, expert witnesses, too, were there and could prove that the bodies had been there at least a year before the Germans occupied that part of Poland. Remember, the Katyn Forest is in that part of Poland which was 'protected' by our glorious Soviet friends.

An added nasty was that the NKVD used German GECO 7.65mm ammunition.

They did away with about 15,000 Polish officers. As much of the Polish military was of a militia nature, this meant just about Poland's entire academic and intellectual elite. When the war was finished, the Commies could take over relatively easily.... which is exactly what they did.

With friends like theirs, who NEEDS enemies?

The several massacres in the Katyn Forest wee blamed on the Germans and this was one of the counts brought against them at the Nuremberg Trials. Thankfully, this one was thrown out because EVERYBODY knew that the Russians had done it.

Russia even admitted, back in 1993 or so, IIRC, that they had done it.
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MTLean said:
Warsaw Uprising Museum - Wow lots of history happening here! That MP40 is pretty ###ual :)

I am actually half Polish but all my father's side have passed and i dont know zip about my Polish history and roots, gets me pretty angry sometimes. What did you mean by "Now that the Poles are allowed to tell the world what happened."


Oh thanks for the nice pics!
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smellie is bank on with the Katyn massacure. Even my family who grew up in Poland learnt in school that the Germans did it. There is a good Polish made movie about it called Katyn. Horrible what they did, no Polish elite, no Poland. No Polish officers, no resistance. There is lots of info on it on the web now if you wanted to google it.

As for the Warsaw uprising, it was timed so the Russians could help the AK (home army) liberate Warsaw from the Germans, however the Russians just waited outside Warsaw ensuring the remaining Polish resistance was wiped out. No Polish post war army meant the Russians could maintain control without conflict. The Warsaw uprising would instil Polish national pride, so it was taboo to talk about under commie rule.

These 2 museums were made to commemerate the soldiers sacrafices, as these acts were meant to be forgotten.
 
The WP museum doesn't seem much changed from when I last saw it in 1986. I'll have to dig out my pics and compare.

The AK/Warsaw Uprising museum did not exist then and the contribution of the AK and their great sacrifices was not publicly acknowledged as Katyn also was not, although every Pole knew about it and exactly who was responsible.

A movie on the subject I would recommend is Andzej Wajda's "Katyn" not only for its portrayal of the event itself but also for how the subject was dealt with in the post war "Polska Rzeczpospolita Ludowa" under the thumb of Soviet repression. Netflix has it in its offerings.

Thanks very much for sharing your pictures.
 
Wow, that is a lot of militaria on display!

I find it neat when you go up to those display cabinets with the milsurp rifles and pistols and you say to yourself "I own that one, that one, that one, anddd...that one" and leave with a big :D.
 
Nabs said:
Wow, that is a lot of militaria on display!

I find it neat when you go up to those display cabinets with the milsurp rifles and pistols and you say to yourself "I own that one, that one, that one, anddd...that one" and leave with a big :D.
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I did that in the Armouries in Leeds, talking to my Wife's Uncle. There was another couple there and it was funny watching them as they did their best to wander away... without running :runaway: :D
 
Is that a grenade pistol?

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They had a thing that started out as a flare pistol, then the ammo got upgraded and upgraded and the thing got a folding stock and, finally, it got a new name and was called the KAMPFPISTOLE.

And that definitely looks like a shaped-charge warhead on the critter. Standoff looks about right for a quarter-pound charge or a bit bigger say up to a half-pound or so. Enough to "do" a couple of inches of armour, with a nice blast effect thrown in just for schrecklichkeit, you understand.

Hmmmm..........
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smellie said:
They had a thing that started out as a flare pistol, then the ammo got upgraded and upgraded and the thing got a folding stock and, finally, it got a new name and was called the KAMPFPISTOLE.

And that definitely looks like a shaped-charge warhead on the critter. Standoff looks about right for a quarter-pound charge or a bit bigger say up to a half-pound or so. Enough to "do" a couple of inches of armour, with a nice blast effect thrown in just for schrecklichkeit, you understand.

Hmmmm..........
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Now the big question, what was the range?

"Only to be fired off roofs of buildings, off bridges, or lobbed over a wall to avoid shooter injury."

:D
 
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