MUST READ about Grizzly - Jim Shockey's post re death of mother and baby daughter
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Not my intention. I think it is helpful for us to have dialogue because I see hunters as having a key role in management of wildlife and we are stewards of the environment. Both of us are hunters. Therefore we need to communicate views and ideas effectively so that we can come to some sort of balanced agreement. It's not about who is right or wrong - it's about sharing and discussing ideas.
This is a tragic story, and that's all there is too it. That poor man, I'm not sure how he will carry on. Anyone can armchair quarterback about what coulda shoulda been, but in the end, none of that will help that poor guy. When I think about that young family, enjoying a great way of life, and then being completely destroyed, I can't even get into a debate. It's a very sad story, makes me choke up to think about it.
i ve re read your comments and i still do not get it why Jim is so good only time will tell ...but i can tell you that the local hunters i know and actually impacted by the deaths of the girls do not see the same as you jim or other posters here ... and bragging that the bear was the one he saw and cant hunt ... tell that in front of the poor man that need to handle that tragedy today and you guys are telling me Jim is right ... sorry seems to me not dialog .... and adding more quota .... sorry seems im overreacting but that place is not for me .
In my opinion the reason this has garnered so much attention is because a woman and a baby were killed.
This event made it on to BBC News as well.
As usual mainstream media has used the "emotional" angle to glorify this event.
If a native trapper was killed by the same bear I doubt it would be newsworthy.
I can't imagine what the poor guy is going through now, a living hell I'm sure.
From the Shockey article I personally don't see any grand standing. The main point I noticed was "officials" who make up all the game laws and rules don't have a clue as to what goes on in the real wilderness.
This event made it on to BBC News as well.
As usual mainstream media has used the "emotional" angle to glorify this event.
If a native trapper was killed by the same bear I doubt it would be newsworthy.
I can't imagine what the poor guy is going through now, a living hell I'm sure.
From the Shockey article I personally don't see any grand standing. The main point I noticed was "officials" who make up all the game laws and rules don't have a clue as to what goes on in the real wilderness.
No Phil, you and Greg are right on the money.
Shockeys long narrative is correct only to the point.
Lots of grandstanding.
I view it as a realtor passing out business cards at a funeral.
Rest in peace mother and child.
Hope the father can pull through this.
Only blessing I can perceive is him getting the bear causing the torture.
Shockeys long narrative is correct only to the point.
Lots of grandstanding.
I view it as a realtor passing out business cards at a funeral.
Rest in peace mother and child.
Hope the father can pull through this.
Only blessing I can perceive is him getting the bear causing the torture.
Same types of people who initially cancelled the Ontario spring bear hunt. Only to reinstate it after a peoples cats and poodles were put on the menu when too many bears were competing for food. And those are just little black bears. Whole different can of worms for the big fellas in the Yukon and BC. My sympathies to the family.
Exactly, nameless, faceless, unaccountable bureaucrats are making decisions that have serious impact on real people, with very not enough actual facts and too much worry about the opinions of people not even close the reality. IMHO, every person involved with setting these artificially low "limits" on grizzly harvest, should be forced to view the photos of what happens when they screwup.
So you are saying it was all the mothers fault then?
calibrecarstairs
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So you are saying it's the citiot's fault then? Or are you blaming the bureaucrats? Or are you blaming big city buckle shoe wearing sissy's?
If you choose not to be responsible for your own actions I'll leave it with you.
calibrecarstairs
CGN Regular
Incorrect. This is root cause analysis.
Remember, the OP stated decisions need to be based on facts, not emotions.
The only emotion involved is the emotion YOU put into it.
Two people out and about in bear country unarmed.
An adult and an infant.
A hungry grizzly bear follows its natural instincts and kills them.
The mother was wandering around in country knowing that predatory bears are present with an infant unprepared and unequiped to defend herself or the kid.
Of course it was the adults (the mother) fault.
Who else’s fault would it be? The kids?
Certainly not the bears fault as it was only doing what was natural for it to do.
Two people out and about in bear country unarmed.
An adult and an infant.
A hungry grizzly bear follows its natural instincts and kills them.
The mother was wandering around in country knowing that predatory bears are present with an infant unprepared and unequiped to defend herself or the kid.
Of course it was the adults (the mother) fault.
Who else’s fault would it be? The kids?
Certainly not the bears fault as it was only doing what was natural for it to do.
Oh for Christ sakes...so it's ok to let the bear do what comes naturally but by law we limit what human can do...wilderness carrymight have stopped this tragedy.
The lesson to take home here is there should be a lot more SSS. ..we have the right to life regardless of what laws the citidiots pass.
There is a lot of Grizzly/Black Bear in North East BC. Run into them all the time in the Peace Region. They usually just happily eat grass and don't pay much attention to human. The 3 Grizzly pictured were following cattle until they found my deer bait . Good luck trying to bait deer in October. My 4 baiting spots were overrun by Grizzlies and Blacks, I just stopped baiting.
. Good luck trying to bait deer in October. My 4 baiting spots were overrun by Grizzlies and Blacks, I just stopped baiting.
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I think it's safe to say , not many people expect to encounter a bear at the end of November in the yukon !. I think instead of everyone blaming this on the bear , or the government , or the victims ... I think it can simply be called a tragic accident and an extremely rare occurrence. We have so very very few fatal bear attacks in the Yukon .deepest sympathies to the husband and father ... What a terrible way to lose loved ones
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