Muzzle Blast and Barrel Length

So now we need to consider barrel lengths and even chamberings based on how loud they will be?

I take one rifle shot a year without hearing protection - I don't ever recall hearing the shot and have never had "ringing" in my ears. One shot/year. Perspective. "But, but even one shot can damage your hearing!..." Ok.

In my opinion we should all spend less time on the interwebs listening to people analyzing all of the "dangers", and more time shooting.

I don't wish the constant high pitched ringing, inability to visit and converse in a crowded room, balance problems and the general frustration that goes with damaged hearing on anyone. But i do wish the ignorant and inexperienced would stop preaching to others that hearing damage is no problem.
 
I can vouch for the blast from a 16.5" Rem 700 in .308, it's noticeable. I wear electronic muffs on head above ears, and if time allows I slip them down for the shot.

First deer I took with it was in low light and the muzzle flash had a real effect on my low-light vision for 30 seconds. I didn't have muffs on and my ears rang for hours.
I've since added a flash hider for those early evening bucks!

I love the short barrel though, perfect for thick brush or keeping it out of the mud on an ATV.
 
I don't wish the constant high pitched ringing, inability to visit and converse in a crowded room, balance problems and the general frustration that goes with damaged hearing on anyone. But i do wish the ignorant and inexperienced would stop preaching to others that hearing damage is no problem.

That's a real problem for me, and it sucks at social gatherings. Last NYE party we hosted was a real eye opener for me, I've damaged my hearing and it is permanent.

It's not from shooting primarily, but 10x years in building construction with no ear protection, and plenty of concerts up front in my reckless youth.

I have a 3 year old son, and he's going to wear ear protection for EVERYTHING including cutting the grass. That, and lift with his legs, not his back!!!

Oh to be young again.
 
I've got .308s in 18.5" and 24" barrels.

The 18.5 has a recessed crown muzzle, and I believe it makes a serious difference to sound and muzzle blast for theshooter.

I find it no louder than my 24".


However, people standing to the side DEFINATELY notice a bigger bark from the 18.5, and have called it "obnoxious".

I'm sure most gunsmiths or even a machinist could recess your crown if you find it too loud to shoot
 
The thing one needs to remember is that not only is the muzzle closer to your ears, but the muzzle pressure, and therefore the noise impulse, is higher out of the shorter barrel.

I used a 20 inch 375 H&H for a while as a backup rifle for a few years while guiding. It was remarkable how loud it was without ear protection, which you certainly could not use. When protecting someone, you need to be able to hear everything going on around you.

The Sako Handi-Rifle in 375 H&H has an 18 1/2" barrel, and is even more blatantly obnoxious. Fearsome is a good word to describe it.

Ted
By far the worse rifle I have ever shoot was a 378 Weatherby with cut off 18" barrel no muzzle brake ....OMG...... Was a grizzly bear guides rifle from Bella Coola .
That got your attention real quick . Once was more than enuff for me .
 
I have a rem 600 350 mag 18 1/2" barrel I've been told its louder than my 338 win mag with a Vais brake. I started wearing electronic earplugs for hunting 3 years ago I wish I would have started much sooner. In the seventies hardly anybody wore anything, maybe the cotton out of pill bottles. The smart guys that wore the Micky mouse muffs were scoffed by the real men at the range.
 
My 11th Field Regiment RCA days total destroyed my hearing :)
I am like the old guy with the horn against his ear...

mind you, 30-06 out of my 20" barrel Tikka T3 Battue Lite is LOUD, even to a deafy like myself.
 
My 11th Field Regiment RCA days total destroyed my hearing :)
I am like the old guy with the horn against his ear...

mind you, 30-06 out of my 20" barrel Tikka T3 Battue Lite is LOUD, even to a deafy like myself.

Reminds me of a retired Infantry guy I know telling me about the boys out on the town back in the day. Not their battle cry but I guess their party cry in the clubs was "we don't care what you plaaaay... but play it LOOOOUD!!!" lol
 
In addition to barrel length, other factors come into play. Small caliber over-bore rifles bark worse than larger bores with a similar powder charge. Compare for example a .22-250 and a .308 with similar barrel lengths, the .22-250 has a sharper bark . . . a big dog bark vs a small dog bark sort of thing, the small dog is always more obnoxious. As bore size increases, the sharpness of the report diminishes as soprano gives way to baritone. I liked the sound of my 20" .375 Ultra, and frankly there is little difference between the 20" and a 22" barrel with this cartridge, but I seriously object to the sound of a 20" .243 with half the powder charge. So while decibels gives an index of volume, it doesn't tell the whole story.

Another issue that affects rifle shooters with respect to the sound of muzzle blast is the wind direction. Muzzle blast is less tolerable if the wind is in your face when you shoot, yet if the wind comes from behind you, you are less troubled by it. Muzzle brakes are not a problem in of themselves, but if you are forced to make an unexpected snap shot with a braked rifle, the cost will be high, and the greater the bore capacity, the higher the cost will be. I once fired a braked .375 H&H, without thinking about hearing protection, since squirrel guns like that don't need brakes, and the experience was indeed both unpleasant and memorable. One round from the braked 24" H&H was worth 100 rounds of .375 Ultra from a 20" tube, even if shooting into the wind. IMHO a brake has no place on a big game rifle, and if you can't handle the bump on the shoulder, an assault on your hearing is no resolution to the problem. In fact, the affects of exposure to muzzle blast contributes more to flinching than is recoil ever could, with the possible exception of extreme examples.

The current trend toward very light hunting rifles, has also driven a trend towards very short barrels. I personally don't think that rifles with barrels that are shorter than 20" is a step in the right direction, yet we see several manufacturers producing carbines with 16" barrels. I have one rifle with a 14.5" barrel, so this is clearly an example of do as I say, not as I do, but seriously, other than a specialized niche rifle, the disadvantages of very short barrels out weighs their advantage. In fact, a rifle that wears a barrel with a pencil thin contour, needs that barrel to be longer if the rifle is to balance. A butt heavy 16" carbine bolt gun is not as quick to bring to target as a 24" Weatherby Ultralight, so the disadvantages of very short barrels go beyond damage to your hearing.

Your hearing is valuable and not to be taken for granted, or abused beyond reason. Few big game hunters are willing to wear hearing protection while hunting, but only a fool engages in shooting multiple rounds when target shooting, plinking, or varmint hunting without protecting his hearing, and insisting that others present do likewise.
 
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I am 47 yrs old and in process of getting 2 hearing aids. My left is worse than right and I attribute that to shooting. I have worked industrial and construction as a millwright for 25 yrs and attributee the bulk of my hearing damage to that. Never wore hearing protection when younger for much of anything. Paying the price now. The social gathering issues are really frustrating. Most times, if someone approaches from my left and speaks, I can't even hear them. Wear hearing protection for everything last 10 plus yrs but the damage is done. Don't let bravado get in the way......wear hearing protection!
 
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I hear you fellows, actually I have a hard time hearing on my left side at all. Can a hearing aid help tinnitus?
Concerning barrel length, I have never really noticed the difference between long and short barrels, but I have a .338 Win Mag with a muzzle brake that is brutal in the noise department. When I bring it out I end-up alone on the range. WK
 
I hear you fellows, actually I have a hard time hearing on my left side at all. Can a hearing aid help tinnitus?
Concerning barrel length, I have never really noticed the difference between long and short barrels, but I have a .338 Win Mag with a muzzle brake that is brutal in the noise department. When I bring it out I end-up alone on the range. WK

Hearing aids do no remove tinnitus. What they do is allow you to hear sounds that otherwise blend in with it.

Nothing wrong with your .338 that a hacksaw can't fix.:p
 
Like a lot of the guys here I also have hearing damage from being young and stupid. I remember going to the gravel pit with a few boxes of 12g shells, blasting away without any protection. Is their any viable ear protection solution for hunting?
 
I use one of the little Ruger Frontiers in 358 Win, it has a 16.5 " bbl. and some say its noisy.
I can't dispute that because I'm deaf in one ear and can't hear with the other....
 
Sure, but its going to require a change to the Firearms Act, since suppressors are illegal in Canada.


Good luck with that, especially since the antis are now in power again. Funny that in some places around the world they are not only legal, but mandatory.
 
Hearing aids do no remove tinnitus. What they do is allow you to hear sounds that otherwise blend in with it.

Nothing wrong with your .338 that a hacksaw can't fix.:p

Mike, I can add a bit on how they neutralize the tinnitus tone.
Every sound we hear is the result of an alternating frequency. Like the lowest frequency that good human ears can hear may be in the order of 400 cycles per second and the highest may be a few thousand cycles per second.
I have tinnitus and the frequency is always the same, somewhat above the frequency of human speech.
To neutralize it they create the same frequency in the ear. Then they reverse the polarity of it. The result is the generated frequency the same as your tinnitus is exactly reversed, meaning when your tinnitus alternating frequency is going positive, the generated frequency is going negative, completely canceling the sound of your tinnitus.
I have tinnitus, but not that severe, so I have just ignored it.
Without doubt, there will be professionals on here who could explain this better than I have, but this is the idea of how it works.
I learned such things from my association in Ham Radio.
Bruce
 
Sure, but its going to require a change to the Firearms Act, since suppressors are illegal in Canada.

You know what I mean. Any ear protection that is comfortable, not bulky, doesn't impair normal earring, etc...not muffs preferably.
 
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