Muzzlebreak...Yes or No???
- Thread starter dawgmaster
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I have to go with Rick on this issue, I had one on one of my work rifles.....obnoxious is not the word for it, I made the mistake of firing a shot without ear-muffs and managed to give myself an immediate migraine.
DO NOT EVER use one out of a vehicle, the pressure wave is forced back into the cabin with you and is most unpleasant.
DO NOT EVER use one out of a vehicle, the pressure wave is forced back into the cabin with you and is most unpleasant.
Not to mention you might spill that beer which is precariously balanced on the dash...
martinbs....
You apparently have no clue!!!! So flap your jaws somewhere else!
Read and read again....it AINT....about recoil!!!
Its about....MUZZLE JUMP...and I AINT shootin...223s!
You come here and shoot my 22-243 Middlestead or this new 6MM Ackley Imp at coyotes @ 500 yards OR gophers @ 300 yards...and you tell me if you see the hits (kills) thru the scope!!!!
before you start telling people their idiots around here, maybe spend some time posting. have people get to know you. you've been here less then a month and you're already mouthing off?
in short, STFU Noob
I have found Martin to be both interesting and informed, I refrained from remarking on this as I was waiting for his considered response to the slight.before you start telling people their idiots around here, maybe spend some time posting. have people get to know you. you've been here less then a month and you're already mouthing off?
in short, STFU Noob
- Location
- Vancouver Island BC
I have bought a couple rifles with the sissy muffler on it,I promptly take them to the local smith and get them cut off and the barrel gets recrowned. A brake on a 50 BMG is useful,but on a varmint gun.............
Unless you are going to wear muffs and plugs all the time, no. With todays fantastic bullets, you can find a cartridge in your threshold to take care of everything.
As for wanting to see bullet impact on coyotes, they do not work well prone or sitting on normal hunting positions, as the rasie dust and snow like hell. It's equally as hard to see through a cloud too.
And I recommend you get a hold on yourself before you start spouting off on a site you are new to. martinbns is a respected member of this board and has enough experience to comment on most subjects.
I recommend that you apologize or find some sand to pound, as most people will only ignore you in the future with such an attitude.
As for wanting to see bullet impact on coyotes, they do not work well prone or sitting on normal hunting positions, as the rasie dust and snow like hell. It's equally as hard to see through a cloud too.
And I recommend you get a hold on yourself before you start spouting off on a site you are new to. martinbns is a respected member of this board and has enough experience to comment on most subjects.
I recommend that you apologize or find some sand to pound, as most people will only ignore you in the future with such an attitude.
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manbearpig
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Somewhere in the Third World
i wouldnt put one on any of my guns. not only for my own ears, but with respect to the shooters or hunters near me who may have only baseline hearing protection or may even have it removed for a second.
not to mention its a significant added expense -- if seeing the hits was of ultimate importance i would rather put that money towards configuring another, heavier rifle in an appropriate lighter-recoiling caliber.
not to mention its a significant added expense -- if seeing the hits was of ultimate importance i would rather put that money towards configuring another, heavier rifle in an appropriate lighter-recoiling caliber.
I can't see how it will improve accuracy by 'stabilizing the barrel' because the brake only functions AFTER the bullet has exited and releases the propellant gases into the brake. The brake doesn't contact the bullet itself, therefore has no effect on the bullet's travel.
N_R
manbearpig
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muzzle brakes only improve accuracy on thin whippy barrels like the Mini-14 - and thats more about alleviating a design flaw rather than an 'improvement'. that actually has little to do with the brake itself and more about the weight hanging on the end of your barrel -- you could hang a pair of vise-grips off the end of the barrel and it would have the same effect.
barrel 'whip' is hardly a factor with straight-contour barrels used in competition.
also, this guys theorizing is getting into the realm of benefits of harmonic stabilizers. harmonic stabilizers DO help, however the odds of you installing a fixed brake exactly on a harmonic 'sweet spot' are lower than the odds of winning the lottery, not to mention that these sweet spots change with different loads. this brilliant gunsmith seems to be confusing the difference between an adjustable harmonic stabilizer and a fixed muzzle break. in short, he sounds like a moron.
barrel 'whip' is hardly a factor with straight-contour barrels used in competition.
also, this guys theorizing is getting into the realm of benefits of harmonic stabilizers. harmonic stabilizers DO help, however the odds of you installing a fixed brake exactly on a harmonic 'sweet spot' are lower than the odds of winning the lottery, not to mention that these sweet spots change with different loads. this brilliant gunsmith seems to be confusing the difference between an adjustable harmonic stabilizer and a fixed muzzle break. in short, he sounds like a moron.
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martinbs....
You apparently have no clue!!!! So flap your jaws somewhere else!
Read and read again....it AINT....about recoil!!!
Its about....MUZZLE JUMP...and I AINT shootin...223s!
You come here and shoot my 22-243 Middlestead or this new 6MM Ackley Imp at coyotes @ 500 yards OR gophers @ 300 yards...and you tell me if you see the hits (kills) thru the scope!!!!
I've changed my mind...
Get a muzzle brake. It will work perfectly for what you want it for.
Also, this BS about brakes being loud, forget it, It's BS. If I were you, I wouldn't even bother wiht ear protection.
Would so, and if you use hearing protection as you always should, you'll have no problem hearing friends and family.
N_R
That thar is funny, right thar!
An' if you don't think that thar's funny you kin' jus' stan' up an leave.....My uncle just put a vias on his sporter weight 300RUM and I was standing twice beside him this hunting season about 25/50 yards (give or take) when he fired and didn't bother me at all. I fired his gun once and it only kicked a little more than my .270 and I didn't find it that much worse for noise than my rifle. If your all by yourself in the outdoors hunting coyotes I would use a vias and not worry about ear protection. Now at the range under the tin roof is a differnt story He also has a sims recoil pad installed. I was suprised how much recoil it took out of the gun.
He also has a sims recoil pad installed. I was suprised how much recoil it took out of the gun.
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- Saskatchewan
http://calivc.com/forums/MUZZLE-BRA...OU-PROBABLY-DIDN-T-KNOW-ABOUT-MUZZ-t1772.html
Ok...it took some time going back and finding the article, but here it is hopefully the link works!!!
I see alot of you are disbelievers as far as benefits of a muzzle brake other than recoil reduction! This article might change some of your minds.
And as for apologizing to martin... well yeah maybe I was a bit harsh, but when someone yaps a comment about "shouldn't shoot a calibre if they can't handle the recoil" blah, blah well...1st of all it was pointed out that wasn't the purpose of the intended muzzle brake and 2nd he don't know me so why should he yap a comment like that to begin with.
Ok...it took some time going back and finding the article, but here it is hopefully the link works!!!
I see alot of you are disbelievers as far as benefits of a muzzle brake other than recoil reduction! This article might change some of your minds.
And as for apologizing to martin... well yeah maybe I was a bit harsh, but when someone yaps a comment about "shouldn't shoot a calibre if they can't handle the recoil" blah, blah well...1st of all it was pointed out that wasn't the purpose of the intended muzzle brake and 2nd he don't know me so why should he yap a comment like that to begin with.
manbearpig
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Somewhere in the Third World
the guy builds and sells custom guns. its an extra couple hundred bucks in his pocket if he manages to sell an installed muzzle brake. you think it would be in his interest to talk people out of them?
Read the article. Fancy piece of writing that makes nearly no scientific sense. I have to this day seen three rifles in competitive shooting with muzzle brakes on them, and they weren't used by contenders. Sorry, man. If you want to watch the 'yotes biff it, do your thing (I would personally just keep both eyes open) and get a muzzleblaster, but I'll keep the brakes off of anything less than .338......
And for the record I do have a muzzle break. It isn't attached to the rifle anymore, and it resides somewhere in my gun room; an ignored waste of $250....
And for the record I do have a muzzle break. It isn't attached to the rifle anymore, and it resides somewhere in my gun room; an ignored waste of $250....
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