Muzzleloader, what is consider loaded?

That’s all that’s required by a CO if stopped and heading back to the hunt camp or home when you live in the country or small town in a hunting area.

Might be different in downtown Toronto but who is going to be stopped and firearms checked there?

Yes, if you ask the MNR in Peterborough they will give you the whole provincial and federal reply but if you want the answer that’s going to affect you ask the local CO as they are the ones that you’ll have to answer to.

It would be up to the individual CO or other LEO how they wanted to proceed if you were stopped.

The laws are crystal clear on this.
 
I gave the Hunter Ed. Course for 20 yrs. in Ontario . Unloading your ML is ,,,,," removing the ignition system".
Example : remove primmer , cap or flint .
 
I gave the Hunter Ed. Course for 20 yrs. in Ontario . Unloading your ML is ,,,,," removing the ignition system".
Example : remove primmer , cap or flint .

Yes true as per hunting regs. These guys are discussing federal FA transport regs. Whole other ball of wax. I never pull my bullet. Just the primer, breach plug and powder, but I know what I’m getting into should I be checked, and I live in a rural area where I can count on 1 finger how many times I’ve seen a Warden, and chances of police stop are slim. It’s no good to tell people it’s ok, when there are other laws that dictate it’s not. People need to make their own choice if they want to roll the dice!
 
I pull primer, breach plug and triple 7 pellets from my CVA. Bullet stays in place all week. It may not meet the legal intent exactly, but I don’t believe I will be hassled. Technically however, I’d be in the wrong if going back and forth from home.

You remove the triple 7 pellets how, without removing the bullet? I usually (and I assume most people) push out everything out from the barrel end.....please explain.
 
You remove the triple 7 pellets how, without removing the bullet? I usually (and I assume most people) push out everything out from the barrel end.....please explain.

He has a CVA similar to my Traditions Vortex. Pull out the primer, unscrew the breech plug ( finger pressure will do it) and the 2 pellets will drop out. Quite often only one will drop out and a small hand slap on the side of the breech and the other one will fall out if you normally load 2 pellets.
 
They are not considered a firearm until you break a rule with one, then they are most definitely considered firearms

Not really a revelation ( not salty here), my pocketknife also isn't a weapon until I state it is or it gets used as such.
Seems like a regular thing in Canada.
And I agree with the caution thing. I'm lucky in that this discussion really doesn't affect me... my hunting involves loading as I walk out the door. Unloading ( removing a cap or tipping out the primer charge) as I come in the door. Then it gets put away. So it's merely interesting to me for the most part.
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Tokguy
 
You remove the triple 7 pellets how, without removing the bullet? I usually (and I assume most people) push out everything out from the barrel end.....please explain.

I have a CVA wolf. I break the action, remove my primer, unscrew my breach plug, tip out the pellets into my hand and leave the bullet in the barrel. I use the old pellets for my next trip to the range, and load fresh pellets in behind the bullet in the morning, screw my breach plug back in and load a fresh primer. This would only work with a break action muzzleloader with a removable breach plug. It works great, I have fresh powder every hunt and I feel my gun is safer for transport. Still doesn’t meet the letter of the law but I believe it is in the spirit of it. I’m also willing to take my chances. Your mileage may vary!
 
Removing the pellets and the bullets takes only a minute. So why not doing it all the time and staying safe?

Coming out of the bush a few minutes after legal shooting time with the primer removed and the muzzleloader in a floppy lose sock is what I do and although not quite legal as pointed out here, but the local CO’s are totally fine with it as it’s been the norm for years.

I’m not the type to push things and couldn’t possibly afford a court case but I’m not worried in the least about this issue.
 
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