muzzleloading shotgun value??

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I'm lookin' to sell or keep? a muzzleloading shotgun and lookin' for a value. I know its hard to do it with out pics ,but I'll get pics later when the neighbours get home. Its a double barrel with 33 3/8" barrels, no marking of what make or maker. it has nipples and it looks like it been around the fort once or twice but it could be cleaned up.I bought a while back and the seller said its a antique and the CFC approved it . I didn't receive papers that says a antique. So ,I need a little help , please .thanks jim
 
Pictures are indeed worth a thousand words, but generally speaking the information you need are probably under the barrel in the form of proof marks and such which should tell you where the gun was made and possibly around what date range.
 
I have taken the shotgun apart and there are marking E over LG with a star under it with all in a circle and CHB and also a crown with A I under it.So I hope that helps a little
 
Just a warning to those out there that aren't aware of a common problem with older blackpowder shotguns. Many older blackpowder shotguns have been damaged from using higher pressure modern smokeless powder. The damage is frequently cumulative giving evidence of impending catastrophe, so check the bore before shooting or to be safe do not shoot it .

Value for an average antique shotgun in well used condition is not high roughly $200.00 for most of them about double that for a nicer one that could be shot .
 
Unlikely that a muzzleloading shotgun has ever been used with smokeless. With the ELG proof, its Belgian. Might have been a decent quality gun, might have been a cheap one. I am sure it would be antique, wouldn't worry about a letter.
Value? Average quality sort of Belgian gun, been around the fort once or twice, as you put it, maybe 100-200. Maybe a bit more if it is in decent condition, particularly if it is a shooter. But that is a real unknown without detailed examination.
 
Well, it is a bit neglected externally, but it is all there, and doesn't look to be broken.
It would respond to a careful, gentle cleaning. IF and that is a big IF the bores are decent, it might be a shooter. Sometimes the inside is better than the outside.
I'm restoring a couple of ml singles to shooting order, sleeving the barrels. The one that was really rough outside had a better bore than the one that was quite respectable.
From what I have seen, and have paid recently, its about a $150 gun. If I saw this gun at a show or auction, I would personally pay that, assuming that there are no defects that don't show in the photos, like ribs coming loose, etc.
 
This brings a question to my mind ... How would you go about "sleeving" a shotgun barrel ? I have one in particular that the barrels are getting a tad on the thin side, it'd be nice if there was a way to reinforce them from the inside and keep my 150+ year old beauty in serviceable condition for another century or so ...

tiriaq said:
Well, it is a bit neglected externally, but it is all there, and doesn't look to be broken.
It would respond to a careful, gentle cleaning. IF and that is a big IF the bores are decent, it might be a shooter. Sometimes the inside is better than the outside.
I'm restoring a couple of ml singles to shooting order, sleeving the barrels. The one that was really rough outside had a better bore than the one that was quite respectable.
From what I have seen, and have paid recently, its about a $150 gun. If I saw this gun at a show or auction, I would personally pay that, assuming that there are no defects that don't show in the photos, like ribs coming loose, etc.
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In the Blackpwder Forum, I have a thread describing how I sleeved a 12 bore ml to 17 bore, using 4130 cr-mo aircraft tubing. Basically I reamed the bore to .750, and bonded in the 3/4"x.049 wall tube, using AcraGlas Gel. The sleeve is fitted tight to the face of the breech plug.
I have a second one waiting for the arrival of more tube, already reamed up.
Sleeving a double might be possible, but there are complications compared to a single.
 
On the issue of antique; post 1898 belgian proofs would have a crown over the oval with the elg inside. Your barrels look to be fluid steel and not damascus and the overall impression I get is of a gun made not long before 1898. Like Tiriaq, I think the gun could be cleaned up and shot, provided the bores are not excessively pitted. If you are replacing the nipples, I would anticipate the thread pitch is 26 tpi and not 28tpi that is most common today.

cheers mooncoon
 
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