My 20+ new milsurps (56k warning)

Indifferent1: I think you need to surf over to www.milsurps.com and join up & post these there. MANY of these guns are already covered in depth in the MKL forums there.

What you think are Spanish Mausers are the French Berthier's JP identified for you. The carbine has the wrong bolt (a rifle bolt). The long rifle looks OK though. A rifle bolt in a carbine is common on the guns that came back from Syria and Morocco in the 1980's. I'd say the rifle is a $200-500 gu ndepending on condition, matching numbers, and maker. The carbine is a $125-275 gun depending on the same factors.
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Te gun you keep posting and not remembering is a Mannlicher Carcano. This particular one looks ot be an M1891 long rifle in great shape but missing the cleaning rod. Figure about $250-325 from a Carcano collector. This is it:
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This one is a Carcano M91/38 TS carbine - they were cut down from M1891 infantry rifles with worn muzzles in the late 30's. Figure about $150-200.
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These are both Steyr-Mannlichers. The bottom one is an M1895 Infantry rifle worth about $175-225. Should be in 8x56R. The top one isn't an M1895... Not sure which morel it is... maybe a Dutch model? I'm sure JP will know. Probably has a missing handguard.
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This is another version of the Steyr-Mannlicher carbine above, but it's the rifle model. Again, I think it's Dutch.

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Not sure on value for those two.
 
I don't think your P14 is missing screws. The floorplate is not installed properly. The missing screw in the nosecap was to hold a stackng swivel, but these were removed officially by the British Army in the 1920's. On the left side of the stock is a ange dial plate woth a missing screw that used to hold on a volley sight pointer. Again, it's supposed to be missing on a Weedon Standard P14 which is what you have. Figure it's worth about $200 or so in that condition.
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This little gy could be Swedish, Spanish, Chilean, and a number of other varieties of Mauser carbine. I need a more detailed pic or description of the markings. Likely an M96 or M98, but could also be an M94 or M95. Not enough detail on the cocking piece to be certain in that photo. Probably in either 7x57 or 6.5x55.
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Either way, the little carbines often bring more money than the bigger rifles so it may be worth a few bucks :)
 
This might not be a refinished stock. Might be a dirty and dried out Australian Lithgow SMLE III*. Could also be a post-war FR Brit No.1MkIII* wearing light beech. Hard to tell as your photo lacks enough resolution to see markings and details. Figure on about $300 or so if it matches and bore is OK.
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This one is near and dear to my heart. It's a Tula M91/30 made in 1937 and sent to Spain for the Spanish Civil War. The wire hangers and lack of Finnish markings and traits give it away. Somewhere on the receiver it might be stamped USSR or Made in the USSR. The importer struck that one most Spanish used Mosins.

It's worth about $250 or so if it maches and has a clean bore. I like it though b/c I don't have one yet!
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This one is either an M91 cavalry carbine or a Carbine Youth Model (Moschetto Ballila) 6.5 mm. It's hard to tell without any scale as both rifles are identical except the youth model is dimensioanlly smaller.
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Figure about $200-250.
 
You have this listed as Czech. I doubt it is. I think it's a Nazi K98k. The Czech M98 had a stamped winter enlarged trigger guard, not the milled guard on this rifle, though I suppose it could have been changed out.

It might be Czech even if it's nazi. Depends on the markings.

Value could be anywhere from $250 to $1200+ depending on if it's a refurb, matching, vet bring back, etc. We need ALOT more info on this one to valuate it.
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This one is another toughie to evaluate. Depends how it cleans up, condition, markings, etc. but could be a $600+ rifle. It's a WW2 era Remington M1903 Springfield.
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BY THE WAY:
NOW IS THE TIME TO SAY THIS. DO NOT TOUCH THESE RIFLES WITH SANDPAPER OR STEEL WOOL!!!!

BACK AWAY FROM THE RIFLES AND TAKE A DEEP BREATH.

IF YOU DON'T RESTORE THESE PROPERLY YOU WILL CUT VALUE IN HALF OR LESS.

Find some BRONZE wool (look at sailing supply shops) and some gun oil. Rub the surface rust GENTLY with the bronze wool SOAKED in gun oil. In most cases the wood just needs a light rub with a damp cloth and an oiling. IF THAT.

With mulsurps and patina, LESS IS MORE.
 
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Top one Looks like a Mannlicher Model 1890 Cavalry carbine (8x52 mm). This is proper Type for your carbine.

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First photos were not clear enough, but they are Austrian Mannlichers and not Dutch as I first thought. Depending on caliber could be a Model 1886 (11x58 mm) or a Model 1888 (8x50 mm).

Follow link to determine if your rifle has the 1888/90 rearsight modification.
http://jeanplam.www3.50megs.com/mann88.html
 
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Claven2, much appreciated! For the P14, shouldn't there be a screw to hold the nosecap on even if the swivel is removed?

I'm not touching any steel wool or anything, no worries ;) All I have been doing is degreasing them and scrubbing the bore with patches and a brush to see what kind of shape its in. I have the Mosin here and if you would like other pictures I'll see if I can borrow a friends camera next week.

As for the mauser, here's the top of the receiver:
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What kind of markings would it have if it was a Nazi rifle? I didn't see any eagles or swastikas stamped anywhere. As for its place of origin, I'm just going off what my friend told me.

Here's the brief list of what he gave me as he wrote it up.

7mm Spanish Mauser model 1895
7mm Spanish Mauser model 1895 carbine
Czech 98K Mauser
8mm model 1895 Steyr Mannlicher
8mm model 1895 Steyr Mannlicher carbine
.303 M10 Ross rifle
.30-06 Model 1903 Springfield
.303 P-14 American Enfield
.303 No 4 Savage Lee Enfield
Model 1889 Scmidt-Rabin Swiss
model 1911 Scmidt-Rabin Swiss
.303 Lee Enfield - not sure what this is exactly Says "Sht Lee 1916) on the trigger band, but the receiver is stamped FTR 1953
.303 Lee Enfield Mk 1 carbine
6.5mm Model 1891 Mannlicher (Italy)
6.5mm Model 1891 Mannlicher (Italy) carbine
6.5mm Model 1891 Mannlicher (Italy) carbine with fixed bayonet
8mm Lebel/Berthier (France)
8mm Lebel/Berthier (france) carbine
1937 Mosin Nagant
1916-made German Mauser
8mm model 88/90 Steyr-Mannlicher
8mm model 88/90 Steyr-Mannlicher carbine
.303 No 5 Lee Enfield
SVT-40

I'm confused about the springfield though, it's got a pistol grip stock but has the old style ladder sights. I had thought only the 1903A3s came with a pistol grip but had arpeture sights mounted to the receiver.

I'll pop over to milsurps.com, thanks for the info :)
 
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Claven2 said:
Find some BRONZE wool (look at sailing supply shops) and some gun oil. Rub the surface rust GENTLY with the bronze wool SOAKED in gun oil. In most cases the wood just needs a light rub with a damp cloth and an oiling. IF THAT.

With mulsurps and patina, LESS IS MORE.
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What would you restore the wood with if it was dark and oil/grease stained? Is there a wood restoration product out there that will take out the grease and leave the origianl finish in?
 
Claven2 said:
This one is near and dear to my heart. It's a Tula M91/30 made in 1937 and sent to Spain for the Spanish Civil War. The wire hangers and lack of Finnish markings and traits give it away. Somewhere on the receiver it might be stamped USSR or Made in the USSR. The importer struck that one most Spanish used Mosins.

It's worth about $250 or so if it maches and has a clean bore. I like it though b/c I don't have one yet!
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How can you tell that it was used in the Spanish Civil War? Just from the manufacturing code?

The number stamped next to the bolt handle is different from the one on the floorplate which is different from the one on the receiver :(

There's a stamp on the buttstock which has a circle with what looks like a flower vase or something, with MP 8 in the circle.

On the receiver under '1937' there is what appears to be part of a check mark - looks like the symbol used for 'square root' in math. with a small 'c' under it.
Above the Tula Arsenal marking there is a small R in a circle, one on the left side and one stamped upside down on the right side. Other than that I don't see any other markings.

The piece of wood covering the top of the barrel seems quite flimsy and springy, is this normal? Is this piece very fragile? I'm not going to be removing the wood yet, just pulling the bolt and cleaning the bore.
 
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