my carcano

what i think is really interesting on the carcano is the stamp on the stock. So many have an ugly FAT47 on the stock. I like the original stamps. Here are some i have:

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post wwi repair (1920) on a 1891.

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1917 stamp on stock

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193X repair stamp.

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original 91/41 stamp

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7,35cal

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a youth rifle with a nice stamp and plate. Non firing toy
 
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I do not want to make light the tragedy in Dallas. But from what I recall, one of the tenants of many conspiracy theories is that the lone assassin could not have been responsible for the death of the President. It was argued that the Carcano was an old, obsolete design noted for inaccuracy, and it was physically impossible for one gunman to have inflicted all the wounds suffered by the President.

I do not know much about the Carcano and I am very surprised that shooters can hit targets at 600 meters. Tell me, if I want to get into target shooting with this rifle, which model should I buy, and where would I find it? Any tips on reloading for it would be appreciated as well.

Thanks
 
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it is sad how the carcano is always related to the death of kennedy, but that is history. The carcano dont have the best ballistic and dont have the details of the mauser, but it is not a bad rifle. It would not be the battle rifle i would choose in combat, but i think it is undervalued in general by people.

If you are looking for a target shooter carcano, there are some double trigger target shooting carcano that i heard are accurate. Also, some carcano are marked for accuracy and are reputed to be more precise than usual carcano. I have a very accurate m91/41 marked for accuracy. Not all of them are accurate, like the 91/24 that were 1891 shortened to carbine.
 
it is sad how the carcano is always related to the death of kennedy, but that is history. The carcano dont have the best ballistic and dont have the details of the mauser, but it is not a bad rifle. It would not be the battle rifle i would choose in combat, but i think it is undervalued in general by people.

If you are looking for a target shooter carcano, there are some double trigger target shooting carcano that i heard are accurate. Also, some carcano are marked for accuracy and are reputed to be more precise than usual carcano. I have a very accurate m91/41 marked for accuracy. Not all of them are accurate, like the 91/24 that were 1891 shortened to carbine.

The Carcano fired a cartridge not too dissimilar from the much-vaunted 6.5x55 mm Swede....:yingyang:...if things were being ranked as battle rifles, I'd go with things as such:

(1) "Swedish Mauser" in 6.5x55 (accurate, smooth bolt-action and clip-fed),

(2) Italian Carcano is 6.5x52 (clip-fed and could indeed be accurate, while the bolt-action was various degrees of "smooth" - some a lot less than others!)

(3) Norwegian Krag-Jørgensen in 6.5x55mm (slick bolt action [though "weaker" bolt], accurate, but clip-loading was not really what this rifle was known for).

Just some thoughts ?..:redface:
 
A lot depends on what you mean by "best" ballistics. In ballistics, as in anything approaching engineering, everything is a trade-off. You can't be "tops" in absolutely everything, not and still have a rifle which human beings can carry around and actually fire without hurting themselves.

A point: that long Carcano bullet has the highest sectional density of anything used by a military. That makes for good power retention at distances and excellent penetration anywhere, once the bullet has stabilised. For the same reason, it bucks wind AND bush much, much better than you might suspect.

Several years ago, I bought 5 military rifles from a gun-dealer friend, all the types that nobody wanted. One was a Carcano Model 41. I loaded some rounds up with the Remington bulk-pack 140s, took it out and shot it in a series of military rifle tests I was running with a good friend. The rifle was fast, recoil was more than manageable, functioning was flawless and the 100-yard group off the sandbags was exactly an inch. Any time I can get an honest-to-God 1-MOA rifle for 56 bucks, I'll take it!

When the Kennedy thing happened, the CBC announced that he had been shot with a .30-30 Mauser. Knowing that such a thing would be a first-class rarity, I watched the next day's newspaper and found the photos of a Carcano. Later on, I had one helluvva time explaining to my father that I had bought MY Carcano 3 months BEFORE Oswald bought his!

It was widely bandied about that the Carcano was incapable of the shots that are known to have been made. It was also stated flatly that the rifle could not be fired as fast as it had to have been. I took my own Carcano out to the pit where the old Fort had been and at the same range (75 yards) put 3 rounds into a cigarette pack, standing instead of from a rest, irons instead of scope, and did it in a full second less than LHO. I was using PRECISELY the same ammo as LHO: Winchester-Western military-contract stuff, Lot Number 6004 or 6001, I forget just which, but it all was to the same specs.

These legends and misunderstandings and misrepresentations about the Carcano are the foundation of MANY of the conspiracy theories.

I can only scratch my head and ask myself WHAT the Americans would have said had the shooting been done with a "quality" rifle such as a Springfield? Would they regard this as a credit to the rifle's capabilities? Or would they condemn it, as they have done the Carcano for the past 48-1/2 years? Can't have it both ways, guys.

Feed a Carcano what it wants and it can SHOOT. They are rugged and reliable and accurate.

Isn't that recommendation enough?

My opinion: Carcanos are one of the great "sleepers" in the Milsurps hobby and they are about 40% underpriced at this time.

But that's just my opinion.

I can say that because I already have all the Carcanos I really need. Except maybe a 7.35 TS and a.......

Hope this helps.
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Forgot to mention this, but the Carcano cartridge, which "everybody knows" is useless and underpowered, is almost an exact TWIN of the 6.5x54 Mannlicher-Schoenauer, which "everybody knows" is so powerful that it has been used on EFFELUMPS!!!!!!!

Actually, the Carcano round is 100 ft/sec FASTER than the MS, with exactly the same bullet weight.



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Equipped with handles at both ends." Ogden Nash, "A Golden Trashery of Ogden Nashery"
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Carcano

The 6.5mm Carcano Cartrige a good one from an engineering perspective. Stable, accurate and a reasonably mild recoil appreciated by the shooter.

I agree with Smellie that the Carcano rifles are "sleepers" in terms of accuracy and value.

The designers of the Carcano rifles were one of very few who experimented with "gain twist" riflling in military rifles.

A bullet accelerates "axially" from the time of ignition to the point where it leaves the barrel. Gain twist rifling accelerates the bullet "radially" from the time of ignition to the point where it leaves the barrel.

The twist rate increases during the bullets travel down the barrel. I has been proven that when a bullet is accelerated both "axially" and "radially" accuracy can be increased. However, this is not a common practice since the manufacturing costs increase and outweigh the benefits.

Carcano rifles are good rifles and not as bad as their reputation.

Cheers,

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