Like this?
https://www.cabelas.ca/product/89617/savage-64-fxp-semi-auto-rifle-w-scope
I would at least like to be able to change the stock and a higher round magazine though if so desired.
My first semi auto.22....Ruger, or ???
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Like this?
https://www.cabelas.ca/product/89617/savage-64-fxp-semi-auto-rifle-w-scope
I would at least like to be able to change the stock and a higher round magazine though if so desired.
I don't know if you can get high cap mags for the 64, but they definitely make em for the A series.
No the 64 doesn't have high cap mags , A22 does.
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Now, I'm not saying people SHOULDN'T buy Dlask and Grey Birch stuff. They absolutely should! Both because they're supposed to be good products, and they're Canadian made! But not everyone can afford it, and even if they can afford it not everyone can justify the additional cost. The simple fact they exist shouldn't stop someone from buying a 10/22 for less than half the price if thats what they want.[/QUOTE]
The OP said he’d want to upgrade it. He’s better off starting from a superior receiver and barrel.
The OP said he’d want to upgrade it. He’s better off starting from a superior receiver and barrel.
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Once you realize how picky semi auto .22s are with ammo, in order to function properly, or how often they need to be cleaned, my guess is youll switch to a bolt action.
When theyre working, theyre fun. But only when.
When theyre working, theyre fun. But only when.
No problem - We all love helping others spend money!
FWIW, the A22 is a LOT more gun than the 64. I also like the option of the extended mags for the A22, but to be honest I rarely use mine and I wish I had more 10-rd mags.
In any case if you have the option, I highly recommend handling your top contenders in person. Even on the same platform, different shapes of stocks will make them feel quite a bit different. Live fire is even better, but not often an option, unfortunately.
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Biggest issue with 22 is ammo. If you get decent ammo, you shouldn't have reliability issues. My GSG 16 and 10/22 is pretty reliable and I barely clean them. Also I never heard a 10/22 having issues with factory 10rd rotory mags. I remember before the RCMP went after 25rd mags, that my BC hot lips, it would be rare to do a mag dump.
But another fun 22 is a Lever action. Looking at adding a Henry back into the collection.
I have a lot of semi auto 22 rifles and pistols and this has not been true for me.
Okay, OkayShooter, you may have a point about PMs. In the post immediately following yours, however, the OP says that "all of the replies are GREATLY appreciated!"
One of the "you two in fighting" must be me. Who's the other one? My disagreement was with Jerry, a vendor who should be expected to avoid making claims of .22LR "shooting very accurately out to 400 yards" without qualifying what he meant by that.
Perhaps it's left to Suther to defend Jerry by saying my comments about the need for caution when discussing .22LR accuracy at 400 yards were "stupid". Perhaps he believes that caution is not needed and .22LR shoots very accurately out to 400 yards. And after offering the banal observation that "EVERY caliber gets worse with distance" he criticizes me for mentioning centerfire calibers in my response.
Again, my disagreement was with Jerry's blanket statement about .22LR being able to shoot accurately out to 400 yards. It wasn't until Suther interjected himself into the discussion with poorly thought out criticism before allowing Jerry to explain what he meant did I offer any other response.
Anyone who believes that .22LR shoots very accurately out to 400 yards are free to support that view.
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Have a look at the CRPS scores on practiscore. Merritt, Kamloops, Western championship matches in 2019 and Western Championships 2020. There are others but this keeps things quick and easy to check.
These events are shot out to 400+yds... the field is filled with some fantastic very high end or customised BOLT rifles at very lofty budgets. Very accurate is a relative term and I am comparing to my peers competing with their match rifles under match conditions.
so yes, I am backing up my statement with some very solid real world data.... but I have already mentioned this info before. Some just choose to ignore and keep circling around the same objection. You would think at some point, why not just build a rifle and prove the point either way?
If I were to get a donor on sale at $250 (we did get several at this price), stock and match barrel, that would be around $700. If not on sale, add another $70... add optics of choice and away you go.
If an off the shelf, don't worry about future upgrades is the plan, then the A22 and even the Rem 597 are wonderful options. But the question was posed wrt to best semi and given the potential for growth, the 10/22 is still the king in the rimfire semi world... imho
YMMV
Jerry
These events are shot out to 400+yds... the field is filled with some fantastic very high end or customised BOLT rifles at very lofty budgets. Very accurate is a relative term and I am comparing to my peers competing with their match rifles under match conditions.
so yes, I am backing up my statement with some very solid real world data.... but I have already mentioned this info before. Some just choose to ignore and keep circling around the same objection. You would think at some point, why not just build a rifle and prove the point either way?
If I were to get a donor on sale at $250 (we did get several at this price), stock and match barrel, that would be around $700. If not on sale, add another $70... add optics of choice and away you go.
If an off the shelf, don't worry about future upgrades is the plan, then the A22 and even the Rem 597 are wonderful options. But the question was posed wrt to best semi and given the potential for growth, the 10/22 is still the king in the rimfire semi world... imho
YMMV
Jerry
I've gotta agree with alpining on the A22. I've had a S-64 for several years and tho it's fairly accurate it's NOT 'ammo friendly' for cycling, especially SV that improves accuracy. I have to manually cycle the bolt often. I just got an A22 recently and have found it does cycle the SV very well, but so far mine is more accurate with the few HV ammo I've tried - Fed A-Match and Fed 36gHV-HP. 5-shot groups ca .75" after i got the T-pull down. The Fed 40g RNL-SV I tried didn't result in tight groups - over 1.5" for 5shot groups. My A22 is the base model and unfortunately has the "New" trigger group that is NOT very light NOR easy to mod. Came with ca 4-5# pull and I had to 'heat' the main spring to reduce tension and got the pull down to ca. 2#. But the S-64 needed mods to get a light pull on it too, just easier to do.
If the OP is firm on a semi and 'Upgrades' the ruger has more options, but if he wants better than 'pop-can' accuracy, even the S-64 is a better choice. I still stand on the B22 Savage for best 'low-cost' accuracy.
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My own hands-on experience is likely some decades out of touch, so keep that in mind. I am over 65 now. When I was teenager, I used my Dad's Cooey 60 bolt action repeater. Some friends had more expensive, like a Winchester semi-auto, in particular - would not feed a 10 shot clip without a hiccup in most every magazine full. My first bought-for-me semi auto 22 was a Remington Nylon 10C, with extra 10 round magazines. I thought it shot fine, but all the "cool guys" had Ruger 10/22 Carbine. So I traded it in on one - say early 1980's. Was used as completely stock for several years. Eventually got a Butler Creek (?) Heavy Barrel and a synthetic stock kit - I think in a blister pack at Canadian Tire. I can not say it shot any better on targets - apparently looked "cooler" though.
I started our son with a Lakefield Mossberg single shot bolt action - shortened the stock for him. Trigger pull was atrocious - like the kid needed to use two fingers to trip the trigger. That one came back to me some years later to set up for his son - so now stock is slimmed way down, besides shorter - is on it's second trigger assembly - still crap, so far as I am concerned. Grandson and I made a deal - I got that Lakefield Mossberg to swear at; he got the CZ Silhouette.
Along the way I had bought and sold a couple Savage - a bolt action 7 round detachable magazine - do not remember the model - in 22 Magnum, a falling block "Little Favourite" 93G also in 22 Magnum.
Eventually I drifted toward CZ rimfire - I have or have had a Silhouette, a Scout and a BRNO No. 1. After our son bought a Winchester 94/22, that Ruger 10/22 came back to me. So back into original stock, original factory barrel. Read an article about "cheap" mods for a Ruger 10/22 - so 13 layers of aluminum foil tape on sides of receiver (six on one side, and 7 on the other side) at rear, so no more wobble within the stock back there. Some wraps of electrician vinyl tape around barrel to anchor in forearm, and some sanding / filing to get complete clearance under that carbine front barrel ring. I installed Williams Fire Sights - I never did learn to use aperture sights when I was younger - so learning now - and that makes that little rifle into a real "hoot" to use!
If you want mind boggling, super accuracy with suitable ammo - get a Model 61 Schultz and Larsen or similar. Is also a Model 70 or a Model 77 here - am not real sure which version it is - only the trigger mechanism is different. Like 15 pound single shot .22, 1" diameter 28" or so barrel - but not likely to find more accurate rimfire for under $700. As mentioned, a Win 94/22 or a Ruger 10/22 are just real good fun, especially if you have a gopher patch to play in. Minor issues about safety operation with older ones, but any of the BRNO or CZ bolt actions worth evaluating. My experience leads me to not think much of the Winchester / Savage / Mossberg line up - maybe they are fine these days, but not the ones that I had tried out "back in the day". I do not think any longer made, but my Ruger 77/22M is handsome, and do not see many Ruger 96/22M lever actions out here either. Need to choose - precision, fun, portability, looks - each of us likely puts different weights on any of those aspects, and appears many of us have different ideas what those words mean.
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I am definitely not going for a bolt action .22, atleast not right now.
So here is my question- a ruger 10/22 or a savage A22? I have no brand loyalty being new. I have watched god knows how many youtube videos on both guns, and it seems they both have their pluses and minuses, with the ruger having the obvious and heavy advantage of mod support. That said, I would think a stock, trigger and maybe barrel mod would be all that I would be after...if I wanted something better, I'd probably do a scratchbuilt hot rod to my liking.
What say ye'?
So here is my question- a ruger 10/22 or a savage A22? I have no brand loyalty being new. I have watched god knows how many youtube videos on both guns, and it seems they both have their pluses and minuses, with the ruger having the obvious and heavy advantage of mod support. That said, I would think a stock, trigger and maybe barrel mod would be all that I would be after...if I wanted something better, I'd probably do a scratchbuilt hot rod to my liking.
What say ye'?
Both good choices. I have a few 1022s and like them. I don`t have an A22 (YET) . I would go with the A22 some reasons why- price $350 for the standard model and currently have a $50 mail in rebate, they seem like a bigger rifle, trigger is better without upgrading, I find the stock 1022 trigger too heavy. Also you can get 25 round mags for them which might be a plus for you.
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As you already know, the environmental factors and velocity spread at 400yds outweigh the inherent accuracy of a 22lr. There isn’t an example of a 22lr that shoots better at long range, just that it’s harder to tell the accuracy of the rifle with the added variables.
Why piece together a factory Ruger for 700$ when you can simply order a Dlask for 800$? The Dlask doesn’t require a cheesy rail to mount the scope far enough forward. Theres a simple affordable Canadian beautiful Canadian option, why screw with a poor quality starting point?
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If you like DLASK, go for it... or any other boutique brand for that matter.
Me, I like knowing that I have set up the parameters to best suit the game... and it has gotten us on a bunch of podiums.
Shoot whatever makes you happy.....
Jerry
Me, I like knowing that I have set up the parameters to best suit the game... and it has gotten us on a bunch of podiums.
Shoot whatever makes you happy.....
Jerry
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I've had a ton of fun over the years with 10/22's and they be me favorite for gopher hunts and shooting steel as they're easy to tweek up to suit one's needs. Ye can go from mild to wild with this platform and have a lot of fun in the process. It don't take a lot of dough to do up a 10/22 for folks that dig 'em.Of course, budget concerns can deter some folks on desired build options.
