My glock blew up

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Thefergs said:
Squib!??!?! I thought we were talking about over charge or detonation..
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There is no such thing as detonation. Period. There are cases where you can get flash over but smokeless powders cannot detonate, they burn. From reading articles written by folks I trust, there has never been a laboratory that could replicate a detonation using smokeless powder...never.

The Gen 3 and Gen 4 Glock's chambers support cases as well as any pistol chamber does. The early ones didn't and the Gen 1 Glocks were the worst. No argument there and most of the Glock failures were in the 40cal. guns. I am not sure why so many Glock owners still are in denial.

Lee can write what they want in keeping with whatever legal advice they get to avoid any potential lawsuits from users of their equipment.

None of the above would prevent me from owning a Glock IF I had a need for one. I don't, so I don't. For what I use a pistol for there are a host of better options than the Glock. I would also not hesitate to reload for a Gen 3 or 4 Glock. Folks do all the time without incident other than the normal opps one would expect when you have amateurs playing with gun powder.

The Glock pictured above would be an early Glock with an unsupported chamber and those did let go more often than Glock would ever admit. The Portland Police Dept. went from 40cal to 9MM several years ago because of multiple Glock failures using factory ammo. You can google it and do a search. I point that out because it is not just "bad reloads" involved with the Glock Kabooms. If you don't own a Glock Gen 1 no worries, if you do, understand the issues and do what you want. If it were me I would simply buy a newer version barrel and have it fitted if necessary and carry on.

Take Care

Bob
 
hayday said:
Like I said, Glock guys love to blame other Glock guys. Do a key word search on "Glock leg" and you'll see that in-play over and over again. How do you figure that Glock attracts so many incompetent owners? What does that say about you, the Glock owner?
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Again wow just wow guy.....you really have a hard on for glocks or what?

Fyi I own glock, cz, sig, beretta and I can see positive and negative for all of them....pull your head out your a$$ and you might see too.

And maybe since your the know all be all pistol king what should we all have to avoid said problems......

Yeah that's what I thought.
 
Thefergs said:
Again wow just wow guy.....you really have a hard on for glocks or what?

Fyi I own glock, cz, sig, beretta and I can see positive and negative for all of them....pull your head out your a$$ and you might see too.

And maybe since your the know all be all pistol king what should we all have to avoid said problems......

Yeah that's what I thought.
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You are accusing me of having a bias against Glocks. If that were true, why would I have gotten this G17 tattoo?

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hayday said:
Actually I'd read that the Glock originally came to be as a design exercise to test the limits of just how cheaply a handgun could be made.

Gaston Glock had the brainstorm of making it out of plastic and cheap stampings, leaving off all important functional parts that he could and spending the money saved on marketing and lawyers. BTW he ripped off Ivers Johnson who had the silly little trigger "dipsy doo" and the hamerless design about 80 years earlier.

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He had to design an affordable pistol that met the strenuous tests of what the Austrian military wanted in a pistol - and he succeeded in winning the contract. Nice twist you have there, something the left are famous for.

Which important functional parts dod he leave off? Every Glock I have owned/carried did what was required of the gun.
 
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hayday said:
I think that this is what you are talking about (Click on LINK)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0

The problem is that Glocks frequently discharge when the trigger thingy is contacted by debris that falls into the holster or even contacts the pull tab on your fleece jacket, or a protrusion in the holster.

Glock guys love to blame other Glock owners when this happens (and, I suppose, also eat their young). They call these events Negligent Discharges (an ND). However with Glocks, the line is blurred between an ND and an Accidental discharge ("AD"), in the sense that doing the same thing with a safer gun (like and H&K USP which is a better gun than a Glock in ALL respects) would not result in the discharge.

People buy Glocks because they don't trust themselves to have the presence of mind to click off their safety, in a stressed situation. They won't admit it but that is really it. For this reason, not-very-bright people gravitate to the Glock brand. The gun also appeals to first-time buyers, who tend to have lots of bravado and not too much experience. I was recently swept at my range by a Glock-owning kid, who was showing the gun to some young female (maybe a girlfriend). I told the kid to keep his muzzle in a safe direction and he said something like "what's your problem, the gun isn't loaded" - and then showed me that there wasn't a mag in the well. The action was closed at this time. That's great, kid.

We had two ND/ ADs at my former range. Both involved Glocks. In one case, a female cop blew a nice hole through a male cop's foot. In the other case, a "Master Trainer" - whatever that is - pretty well blew his whole lower right leg apart while holstering - as he was in the midst of giving a firearms training course to a bunch of "special students" read: "Gov't/ diplomatic people who don't want to be identified".

I have personally witnessed case where, as I was entering the pistol range at another club, I saw where two guys were forward setting-up targets and a girlfriend of one of them was handling a Glock at the firing line. And a second after I took in this scene I heard the thing go "click"!

Just for fun, do a key word search on the web for term "Glock leg". Do the same for any other firearm - "1911 Leg", "Sig Leg", etc. Do you get this? By all indications, Glock owners must be shooting themselves about 5-10 times more frequently than other gun owners - even taking into account the relative number of guns out there.

There should have been many class actions against Glock by now - firstly because of the fact that the things KB if your reload for them and win the Glock Kaboom lottery. Instead guys like the OP are okay with the possibility that Glock may eventually replace the frame of his destroyed G21, and you other guys delight in the chance to blame that situation on that fellow Glock Owner. Second, there also should have been many more class actions against Glock for the fact that the cheap design of the gun lends itself to Glock leg-type events. There have been some, but the reason that there haven't been more is because Glock owners love to blame other Glock owners - and besides, most really aren't that bright, IMO.
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There are many firearm designs other than Glock that will discharge when thebtrigger isbpressed and there is a round in the chamber. Here's an idea, don't be an idiot and keep your holster clear.

Glock owners aren't bright? What are you, 6 years old?
 
bsand said:
Wow hayday isn't a troll he actually truly believes the BS he's spewing.
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Yep. Just another one of those annoying guys you meet at the range that doesn't shut-up about how right he is, and when he walks away, everyone laughs about how wrong he is.
 
As someone who has holstered Glocks thousands of times and shot tens of thousands of rounds through Glocks each year, I never had a negligent discharge. I have never had shot reloads that were double charged or had compromised casings (yes my brass is usually once fired Glock brass). Never had my guns explode. Never had an ND when holstering or unholstering.

There is no 'kaboom lottery' (or whatever lame term you want to use) specific to Glock pistols.

There is no such thing as Glock leg. Any loaded firearm has the potential for the trigger to be pressed if jammed down into a holster full of jacket toggles, etc. My CZ's will do the very same thing. Same for my 686, Model 10, etc.

There are guys using casings they shouldnt. There are guys double charging when they shouldn't. There are guys who use holsters who shouldn't. This applies to all Glock owners.

Glocks are one of the most widely owned and popular handguns. Of course we hear stories from time to time, same with 1911's, Sigs, etc. In this case (and has been pointed out by several other members) it is clear what the issue is, evident with the flattened primer.

At what point does one realize "Hey, maybe it isn't everyone else. Maybe it's me. I'm wrong" :)

But hey, if Glocks cause 'kabooms' and 'Glock leg', then clearly forks, knives and spoons made Hayday's women fat.
 
I was at the range today, and shot my Glock 21. Still don't like it. Still find it difficult to hit small targets with compared to my other handguns. Would never choose a Glock over many other pistols.

But what DIDN'T happen is :

Blow up even though I used reloads
Shoot when the trigger wasn't pressed
Put a hole in my leg
Spontaneously catch on fire
Summon demons from hell

Did Hayday provide any documentation of the Glock foot shot and leg shot at his range? Sorry, I didn't look at every post on the thread, so it may have already been posted, but if this truly happened, there should be some documentation of it.
 
It is a bit late in the day to read all the posts, but I would like to mention that when my G21 sf began to bulge some of my cases, I stopped shooting it as I value my cases - and I knew that some of the bulged ones were slipping through and getting resized and reloaded. Recently, I found a couple of bulged cases which were seriously smiled so I had a look inside with a loupe. There is a serious crack in the web - clearly visible from the inside. If I reloaded one of these, and shot it in the same Glock - and if the old smile lined up to be unsupported again - even with a mild load, I expect that they would look just like the OPs - and my gun would look like his.

What I gather from this is that smiles can be ironed out - maybe once - maybe more, but not indefinitely - eventually the cases will give up.

I don't see any sign of wicked high pressures - just a case that let go very early in the burn. A double charge would look worse. I did it once - but that was in a Ruger P345 so the gun still works fine 10,000 rounds later.

Buy another gun and drive on.
 
anchor3593 said:
It is a bit late in the day to read all the posts, but I would like to mention that when my G21 sf began to bulge some of my cases, I stopped shooting it as I value my cases - and I knew that some of the bulged ones were slipping through and getting resized and reloaded. Recently, I found a couple of bulged cases which were seriously smiled so I had a look inside with a loupe. There is a serious crack in the web - clearly visible from the inside. If I reloaded one of these, and shot it in the same Glock - and if the old smile lined up to be unsupported again - even with a mild load, I expect that they would look just like the OPs - and my gun would look like his.

What I gather from this is that smiles can be ironed out - maybe once - maybe more, but not indefinitely - eventually the cases will give up.

I don't see any sign of wicked high pressures - just a case that let go very early in the burn. A double charge would look worse. I did it once - but that was in a Ruger P345 so the gun still works fine 10,000 rounds later.

Buy another gun and drive on.
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What Gen is your G21?
 
One of the older ones - apparently the newer ones are better supported. Better does not mean well supported I guess - if folks are still seeing the smile.
 
Yeah - they fit a hand nicely. Others to try are the Steyr M40 and the Taurus 24/7 - they both fit nicely - but the Ruger is still my favorite. When it comes to accuracy, others like Sig and FN and others shoot closer to the little black dot - but the Ruger will always find my errors.
 
anchor3593 said:
It is a bit late in the day to read all the posts, but I would like to mention that when my G21 sf began to bulge some of my cases, I stopped shooting it as I value my cases - and I knew that some of the bulged ones were slipping through and getting resized and reloaded. Recently, I found a couple of bulged cases which were seriously smiled so I had a look inside with a loupe. There is a serious crack in the web - clearly visible from the inside. If I reloaded one of these, and shot it in the same Glock - and if the old smile lined up to be unsupported again - even with a mild load, I expect that they would look just like the OPs - and my gun would look like his.

What I gather from this is that smiles can be ironed out - maybe once - maybe more, but not indefinitely - eventually the cases will give up.

I don't see any sign of wicked high pressures - just a case that let go very early in the burn. A double charge would look worse. I did it once - but that was in a Ruger P345 so the gun still works fine 10,000 rounds later.

Buy another gun and drive on.
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I understand that you haven't read all the posts, but note that ironing out the smiles from bulged cases from a Glock is a bad idea. Lee makes a really cool kit for resizing cases right down to the base (using a full case push through as is otherwise applied to resizing bullets in their bullet resizing kits). However, LEE says this.

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Have a look at the OPs opening post. The picture of his blown case exhibits classic symptoms of a Glock feedramp blowout, resulting from Glock's seriously unsupported chamber - which, BTW is also an oversized chamber. As LEE says when, by the luck of the draw, an already weakened case - from a previous firing in a Glock - lines up for a second time with the feedramp, you can win the Glock Kaboom lottery. To make matters worse, when this happens other Glock owners will always blame you, because that's just what they do.

Here is a LINK to a video about that cool LEE bulge buster kit. Again don't use this to fix Glock cases because the are basically not fixable.

Reloading with cases ruined from previous firings in a Glock gets you a ticket in the big Glock Kaboom lottery. Here are some photos of past winners:

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Lee sells a bulge buster for swolen casings - if you didn't already know. And Lee, like other companies always have a disclaimer/warning statement. Reloading is up to the reloader, period.

Secondly, you can keep reposting the same garbage, but it doesn't mean it's true. The primer is flattened, likely due to over charging, not because of the unsupported chamber.

Nice try.
 
Jericho said:
Lee sells a bulge buster for swolen casings - if you didn't already know. And Lee, like other companies always have a disclaimer/warning statement. Reloading is up to the reloader, period.

Secondly, you can keep reposting the same garbage, but it doesn't mean it's true. The primer is flattened, likely due to over charging, not because of the unsupported chamber.

Nice try.
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I wish we had a "like" button. If you read enough of the reloading literature, and I say this as someone who hasn't read very much, you'll find that technically they advise you that it's unsafe to reload at all.
 
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