My latest personal old-school M14 build nearing completion...

where did you get the rivits for the front sling mount???

Brownells part No. FS0713. $2.99 per rivet is my dealer cost. I order them a few dozen at a time every few years.

They list them as SAI parts, but they appear to actually be Fulton rivets, they come in the same packaging as Fulton parts. They are a perfect copy of Springfield Armory USGI rivets, which I can no longer find anywhere. These Brownells rivets come pre-parkerized, which is nice. I use a brass anvil and steel riveting punches that I made years ago on the lathe. They are basically copies of the USGI armorer's parts for tightening loose rivets.

There is a trick to installing them, so if you go this route and have never done it before, buy extras.

If I have USGI washers, I re-use them. If not, I buy washers at Home depot, burn off the zinc in muratic acid, parkerize and use those. potayto, potahto.

FWIW, I do the same thing for installing AR15 front swivels and my riveting jobs look factory. Nothing irks me more than a split and flattened bubbatized AR15 swivel rivet - which unfortunately most of them are :( Hollow rivets should be nicely rounded like an eye socket on the back side.
 
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Tinkered with the stock a little more today, still waiting for my park job to get back from Vulcan so I can install the front swivel. I sent them a bunch of stuff, including some laser etching, so it takes a while.

Here is another lesser known NM mod made to GI stocks (back before Sacks & Sons started making NM-specific stocks with thicker profiles, larger barrel routes and pre-milled for bedding). Basically, if you look at a USGI gas cylinder that was actually on a rifle for a while, you will see wear at the contact points for the stock band (i.e. the part you sometimes unitize to the cylinder), but you will also usually see wear on one side or other of the gas cylinder tail.

The M14 drawing only leaves about 1/64" (or less) between the gas cylinder and either side of the stock "nosecap" (aka ferrule). Ferrules are just thin stamped steel and the stocks themselves vary a little in size. Under recoil and barrel whip, the gas cylinder often touches the inside of the forestock and affects accuracy.

One of the NM mods is to grind out the ferrule and sand out the stock inletting to allow more clearance for the gas cylinder tail, preventing any contact between cylinder and stock during firing.

Many builders overlook this change.

There are two variants of stock ferrule, some are pressed on with large fingernail-like detents (like on my Winchester stock). Those ferrules are impossible to remove intact. Others are just punch-dimpled on the sides and can be removed to be ground out. If you remove the ferrule, you re-install it with epoxy to "bed" it in place. On the large detent stocks, I pry the forward lip up a little to create a small gap and flow viscous 2-part epoxy in that way, I then flow cyano-acrylate glue in from the back side joint between the ferrule and the stock inlet to secure it more solidly to the wood, and then grind everything together with a dremel sanding cylinder. They don't budge after that.

In this photo, I've not yet oiled the areas where I removed wood so you can see the contrast.

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You check fit with a NON-unitized cylinder installed on a barrelled action without the stock band installed so you can visually check for clearance. If you don't have good clearance all the way around, then you remove a little material until you do. Obviously, you want to start with a stock that is not appreciably warped with a well-centered gas cylinder and barrel.

Hope that helps anyone looking to further accurize their M14s :)

In other news, I shot 20 rounds of hirtenberger through the rifle last week. Function was 100%. Rifle was doing around 3MOA prone unsupported. I'll get a better sense of what it can do when I get all the parts back and scope it on the bench. I've also installed a Sadlak airborne mount and will be dropping on a Busnell Elite 10x40 mildot, similar to how some of the M21's were set up. That should overcome my aging eyesight and give a better account of what the rifle can do with military ammo.

If I can;t get 2MOA with the Hirt, I'll bed the stock in bisonite.
 
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I got my AMU unitized gas cylinder assembly back from Ted Brown Rifles today. Glue & screw = where it's at. Ted epoxies the screws in place, epoxies the spindle in place, uses stainless countersunk screws, and also stakes every screw in 4 places. It's a quality job that I wish I had the jigs to do. Ted uses a set of original US Army jigs to make his.

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Finally got my stuff back from parkerizing, so the stock is back together :)

My riveting job. Not perfect, but perfectly fine - lol.

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Now I have to figure out what to do with this receiver.... Crazy Horse shorty build?

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Regarding the gas system clearancing on the ferrule and stock, I notice you took off quite a bit (it seems to my completely inexperienced eye) on the ferrule and of course the stock.

Approximately how much clearance does this give you?

You mentioned that you were taking off a bit at a time, but that's such a perfect radius on that curve that I have to ask if you had a template for that, something a bit bigger than a nickel, but smaller than a quarter?
 
Regarding the gas system clearancing on the ferrule and stock, I notice you took off quite a bit (it seems to my completely inexperienced eye) on the ferrule and of course the stock.

Approximately how much clearance does this give you?

You mentioned that you were taking off a bit at a time, but that's such a perfect radius on that curve that I have to ask if you had a template for that, something a bit bigger than a nickel, but smaller than a quarter?

I do it by eye and aim for at least 1/16" all the way around. I also free hand it, but I've done enough of them that I can make it look like it was machined that way ;)
 
I do it by eye and aim for at least 1/16" all the way around. I also free hand it, but I've done enough of them that I can make it look like it was machined that way ;)

That's nice work! And 1/16th is exactly what I wanted to know, thanks.

This should be fun. I'm new to this, having fun learning. Since I have a unitized gas system, and a new op-rod and spring, I might as well try this too.
 
Bear in mind, my stock was fitted for a USGI gas cylinder. The Norinco ones are cast and larger diameter than GI forged cylinders, so you may have to remove more material to get clearance than I depicted here.

Another thing... unless you are shooting really heavy bullets, I don't use new-fangled extra-power or chrome-silicone wunder-springs. I use original USGI op rod springs ONLY. I've never had one fail - use GI with confidence.
 
Bear in mind, my stock was fitted for a USGI gas cylinder. The Norinco ones are cast and larger diameter than GI forged cylinders, so you may have to remove more material to get clearance than I depicted here.

Another thing... unless you are shooting really heavy bullets, I don't use new-fangled extra-power or chrome-silicone wunder-springs. I use original USGI op rod springs ONLY. I've never had one fail - use GI with confidence.

No, I plan to use 150gr bullets, and IMR4895. I'll try a few loads, but I'm into a lower charge if I can still get good groups.

As for the spring guide, it's an M14medic one, and the silicone spring came with it. The same guy sold me an unitized gas system. I got those and a stock project I'm still working on. Eventually I see myself getting a Boyd's stock, so what I learn now will be helpful.

At the last Kamloops gun show I was looking for a bargain AR15, but there were very few at all, and none were bargains. So when I came upon a table with a bunch of interesting stuff on it that I'd been meaning to do to my M305 but never got around to...

I've just done some work on it, and I've got nice clearance now on the sides, just need to take it down a tad more on the bottom, and I'll be done.

My unitized gas system has flats ground into the top and bottom, but the original Norinco one doesn't. The flat on the bottom stands proud of the cylinder. I don't know if that's significant, but there it is.
 
Terrific thread, and a beautiful rifle. Your method of achieving the perfect M14 (i.e. accumulate a couple decades of experience and then apply it to quality parts) definitely has some advantages over mine (i.e. buy, sell, buy, sell, buy, sell until you luck into a good gun). :) For me, the worst part is finally getting a good one...and then being afraid to mess with it for fear of buggering it up!

Impressive work, and a ton of interesting and useful info. Thanks!
 
Finally got my stuff back from parkerizing, so the stock is back together :)

My riveting job. Not perfect, but perfectly fine - lol.

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Now I have to figure out what to do with this receiver.... Crazy Horse shorty build?

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Is this a real SEI receiver or just a Norc that was engraved with SEI type markings?
 
Yup...that's the way to do it...toss out the lure, wait until all the ripples have died away...then twitch it ever so slightly...:)
 
I think I have my answer lol. I guess the machine marks and improper labeling should have given it away. It had me second guessing though :)
 
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Fwiw, SEI has made multiple variants of M14 receivers over time to include:

1) remanufactured chinese receivers
2) billet machined receivers
3) cast and machined receivers.

The earliest ones have drawing numbers and were made in Mesa AZ.

They have also made all of the above three variants in both full and semi auto, heels that are roll stamped, hand stamped, mechanically engraved and laser engraved.

If there is one thing I know, it's that sei's products have been inconsistent in their features over time.

Afaik, they have not made NM marked receivers since the 1990's.
 
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