my little LMG fever -IMI Negev
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It's not the cloth belts that aren't restricted, its the cloth belts for a pre 1945 design.
.223/5.56 was not around before 1945, so a .223/5.56 cloth belt is restricted to 5 rounds. Nothing you can do will get you more than 5 rounds of belted 5.56mm.
Some one should make a spacer or something for 5.56 link, you just have to cycle the bolt every 5 rounds. You become a pro at your failure to fire drills.
P0WERWAGON
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so when are these coming CanAm?
So, just stick a snapcap in every five? Interesting...
stencollector
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A link by itself, no. But the magazine exemptions specifically mention belts of either the cloth or metallic type, so they are obviously considering belts as a form of magazine. What happens to the belt as it is expended really doesn't matter, but if you have more than 5 rounds on a belt that was designed for a post 45 gun, then you likely have a prohibited device.
Kind of puts the kybosh on any .223 belt feds. Forunately it leaves the door open for 30-06 metal links (which can fit 7.62) , and cloth belts for 30-06 and 8mm which can also fit 7.62.
I doubt very much the snap cap thing will work any more than loading a 30 round magazine with a snap cap for every 6th round.
And that's where the desintegrating link sutation comes in, by itself a link cannot hold more than 2 rounds, without ammo present to attach the individual links into a chain (not a belt) ... How is taking a bunch of individual links and using a round at each end to hold lots of them together in a chain any different than taping/clamping multiple magazines together ? To me a belt is a belt, the MG34 and MG42 used metallic "belts" which were still a belt without any ammo in it, just like the 1919 used (mostly) cloth "belts". Things are pretty much clear as mud as it is ...
stencollector
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When you tape two mags together, you still have to perform an action (changeing a mag) in order to continue firing past the 5 (or 10 round) point. But when you hook a bunch of links together to make a belt, you can keep firing until the belt runs dry. That is the difference. The law was designed so the shooter would have to stop and reload. Stupid, stupid stupid, yes, but thats the law as it stands.
What if you take two 5 round AR mags, cut them in half, and duct tape the top half of one to the bottom half of the other? Can you now have a 10 round mag? Stick another cut up portion of a mag in there so you can have a 15 rounder? Not likely.
Origional belts designed for a gun made before 45 are exempt from the law, presumably for historical purposes. To allow a .223 belt would have little promotion of anything beyond recent history. Fun, yes. Historical, no.
And, please don't think I am in anyway defending or promoting these stupid laws. They are idiotic....when is the last time someone went in to do a school shooting using poprivetted magazines? I really can't fathom the point of the magazine regulations, other than to make the hobby less fun so maybe we will quit doing it.
What if you take two 5 round AR mags, cut them in half, and duct tape the top half of one to the bottom half of the other? Can you now have a 10 round mag? Stick another cut up portion of a mag in there so you can have a 15 rounder? Not likely.
Origional belts designed for a gun made before 45 are exempt from the law, presumably for historical purposes. To allow a .223 belt would have little promotion of anything beyond recent history. Fun, yes. Historical, no.
And, please don't think I am in anyway defending or promoting these stupid laws. They are idiotic....when is the last time someone went in to do a school shooting using poprivetted magazines? I really can't fathom the point of the magazine regulations, other than to make the hobby less fun so maybe we will quit doing it.
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stencollector
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I can only imagine the level of disapointment a gun like this will give when you just start having fun, and after 5 rounds you have to stop to reload.
I'll stick with my 1919. 250 round belts feed through it flawlessly, and the ammo is cheap like borsch.
I'll stick with my 1919. 250 round belts feed through it flawlessly, and the ammo is cheap like borsch.
Unlike the 30lb 1919 and its 30lb tripod, the Negev is actually man portable, ie, you can actually shoot it like a rifle and use it for target shooting/hunting. I don't see any disappointment in having a 5 rd link or 10 rd mag - you cannot shoot the 1919 or the Negev like a true MG anyways so a 250 round link contributes nothing to any practicality at all. At least the Negev can be used as a rifle, not just a bullet hose for historical sentiment or nostalgia.
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In all honesty, a metallic belt is like the one used by PKM. A link is a link-if a link is a belt than duct taping magazine together will be illegal too.
Either 5 rounds or a million rounds, there is nothing like owning a LMG - it is a class on its own. Considering the world is pretty much dominated by FN Minimi in this class, it is almost like an act of God that somehow IMI (now IWI) ends up doing its own thing, and that Israel is actually quite open to sales to civilians. Grab the chance while it is still possible.
Either 5 rounds or a million rounds, there is nothing like owning a LMG - it is a class on its own. Considering the world is pretty much dominated by FN Minimi in this class, it is almost like an act of God that somehow IMI (now IWI) ends up doing its own thing, and that Israel is actually quite open to sales to civilians. Grab the chance while it is still possible.
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Ah yes, just what we need, another voice of doom.....
Just like when I was in the army, and we were out in the field with beer. No names, no pack drill. Everyone knew we had it, but no one talked about until some snot nose asked the Plt Comd at the evening O Grp if it's OK that we're drinking beer after hours!!!!!!
stencollector
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Nobody can argue with that logic. I would give my left nut for a semi auto Bren.
But I like my bullet hose. And in competitions, it has outshot 3 man teams using mag fed rifles.
But yes, it's a novelty, with very little practical application outside of milsurp shoots.
+1. I'd have one of those weird looking .22LR competition rifles with FF barrels and goofy, twisted pistol grips with thumb rests. I buy guns because I appreciate the mechanics and engineering involved, their historical background and cool-factor. That it can propel ammunition accurately is a secondary consideration.
stencollector
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My sentiments exactly; you'll have no arguement from me. I, too, have 10s of thousands of dollars tied up in a few hundred pounds of machined metal locked up in a room. And they aren't priced by the pound or by their usefullness.
Anyway, gotta run.....It's a beautiful Manitoba day and I'm going to install the GPMG onto the side of the Jeep and head for the range to testfire a few guns before the match at Wolverines tommorrow. I always seem to make the mistake of only packing 500 rounds for the GPMG....then I get an empty feeling when the bullets run out. Today I'll bring 1000.
