My M14S experiance

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After reading about all the "fun" everyone here on CGN has with the M14 platform i decided to give in and buy myself a headache... Here she is.

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I spent the a few hours at the range yesterday playing with the rear sight as i expected i would but in between chit chat with some rangers and wadeing thru 3' of snow i did manage a few decent groups at 25m when i could keep the rear from walking around.


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I gave the elevation a couple extra clicks, banged the front blade over and jambed a cleaning patch under the windage knob and shot this group.


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Not bad for a battle sight on a chilly northern AB day...

Just picked up a case of .308 ammo today, will have to go back out next weekend and see if i can do that at 300m next time... Anyone got some snow shoes i can borrow? Lol
 
Looks good man. I should have got the synthetic stock instead of the cheap chu wood stock. What type of ammo you pick up?
 
500rnds mfs 145gr .308, found it for $310 so i grabbed what i could afford.

Not going to get the garamd sight just yet... When i figure out how to get this one appart i might be able to fix it
 
look for something like " how to fix the garand rear sight"- it's also in the shop manual- the big thick one- they're IDENTICAL but the m14 one is marked in meters- i just went through this a couple of weeks ago-if it's the same thing, and it's windage, you need to loosen or tighten the nut on the right hand side - inside the elevation knob- it's called the WINDAGE KNOB NUT- AND IT'S DeSCRIBED ON PAGES 38-39 of fm23-8
i hope the heck you LOOSENED the hex nut on the FRONT SIGHT before you " BANGED IT OVER- the whole rifle is DESIGNED to be taken apart in the field with that combo tool and a couple of hex wrenches- you shouldn't BANG on anything- if you do, then SOMETHING is wrong- or you're misinformed - the only thing that SHOULD need a hammer is removal of the flashider, and that needs a grinder or dremel as well-
it also makes me wonder -ARE THE CHINESE ONES coming with NO MANUAL or are the people purchasing these things FAILING TO READ IT?
you should only adjust your front sight AFTER you've adjusted the rear as much as possible and still can't get a ZERO-
as far as what you're shooting right now, that's at least as GOOD AS IT GETS with factpry or surplus- the other side to quality grouping is HANDLOADS
 
no, Iam pretty sure people are reading the manual, the chinese manual doesnt have any discription of how to zero or use the sights properly. thats why there are people doing this.
 
Actually my FH was not welded, someone staked the front sight blade with a chisel in the far right position... There is no good reason to bang on the sight blade EXCEPT when some child labourer pins it with a chisel.

Mine has a manual, its parts diagram is blurry and impossibly small to be of much use.

Why wouldent i adjust the front sight blade? It was as far to the right as possible and i had the windage 1/4 of its travel over the middle?! Now the windage knob is on center and the sight blade is allmost dead center (indicateing hopefully my barrel was not over tightend at the factory).

I tried a box of federal 150gr blue box in it and shot 3x 5rnd groups around 4" and one a smidge over 3", the mfs ammo shot under 3" every time with the odd flier from my teeth chattering.

When i get my press setup i will worry about match ammo... For now i will save my money for a scope mount.
 
OK, WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE NEED TO MAKE A "STICKY"
FM23-8 IS ONLINE and it behooves anyone with an m14 or m14 clone to print at least one copy off- esp pages 38-39-the ALTERNATE MANUAL is tm9-1005-223-12-that's the technical manual with BIGGER PICTURES and more precise explainations- but it ALMOST mirrors fm23-8
all my refernces come from years of using the REAL thing, and i'm unaware of some of the offenses that the chinese perform on these rifles- i assume that the front sight BLADE is where it's SUPPOSED to be, in the centre of the front sight groove- i CAN'T SEE your set up from where i am, so i can only reguritate what i've been taught and what's in the manual-
 
The Norinco rifles have there quirks, i did alot of homework before i laid my money down and everything is as i expected it to be.... Except the accuracy... I was expecting 4-6" groups... Imagin my surprise....
 
beleive it or not, my old norc( circa 1990) can and does group all TWENTY rounds into quarter sized groups at 100 yards- bench rested, 4x12 SCOPE, b-square mount, and 168 grain lake city equivilent slr ammo- and it still wears the old chu wood stock too- and a harris bipod- everything that's SUPPOSED to be junk, save the bipod- just shows what tuning and HANDLOADS can do
 
t-star said:
tuning and HANDLOADS can do[/QUOTE

Exactly, tuning and hand loads. I Read a lot on the many M14 forums, they pretty much summarize the same opinion. Some tuning and the right load. Sounds funny because that the same for all rifles, they 're not all alike, the M14. some group well with Match ammo, others don't.
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my handloads are no secret- i use the same load as ZEDIKER- 168 grain match or 165 sierra, or whatever- the bullet doesn't seem to matter all taht much till you get ot past 600, then it matters A LOT- 43.9-44 grains of ww748, and cci MAGNUM powder( b/c you're using BALL powder-) it's also the same formula as the SPECIAL LONG RANGE version of the m118 lake city round- developed for the m14- then you tune the rifle for that round, not the other way round
 
Some of the best range time I ever had was with the Norinco M-14S. Anyone who is planning on getting one is going to have some good times. The last one I had killed two black bears. Even the game warden who inspected it had a look of admiration in his eye. You could tell he wanted one!
 
300Spartans said:
Some of the best range time I ever had was with the Norinco M-14S. Anyone who is planning on getting one is going to have some good times. The last one I had killed two black bears. Even the game warden who inspected it had a look of admiration in his eye. You could tell he wanted one!
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so give him one- a LIVE one
 
Here you go Hotwheels...

To remove sights follow these steps:
First adjust windage all the way to the left as far as it will go.
Next, undo the windage lock sleeve with flat blade screw driver, turn until loose, do not try and remove, collar is held in with a retaining clip.
Next, with collar loose, undo the windage knob and remove the knob.
Remove elevation pinion by pulling out of sight base
Remove aperture
Insert flat blade screw driver into aperture area under sight cover and gently pry up until it springs loose.
Done.


Clean and regrease all parts
Install sight base and rear cover together
Dab of grease to receiver at sight location recess
Use flat blade screw driver under back of sight base on bottom lip of sight cover and push firmly, sight cover should snap into place
Next, install aperture
Next install elevation pinion, ensuring it is completely in and meshed with aperture.
Slide sight base to the left side
Install windage knob and hold with your thumb, turn the lock collar only in a reverse direction until you feel it sink in a bit it has now engaged the pinion shaft correctly
Next turn the collar with screw driver forward until it comes just snug
Then turn windage knob to engage with sight base
Adjust lock collar as needed to tighten or loosen the sight knobs
 
t-star said:
beleive it or not, my old norc( circa 1990) can and does group all TWENTY rounds into quarter sized groups at 100 yards- bench rested, 4x12 SCOPE, b-square mount, and 168 grain lake city equivilent slr ammo- and it still wears the old chu wood stock too- and a harris bipod- everything that's SUPPOSED to be junk, save the bipod- just shows what tuning and HANDLOADS can do
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I agree...tuned my 2007 and then tuned the handloads (44grs of WW748 and a 165gr sptizer) and you can cover them with a quater as well at a 100yrds.
Lots of fun on the range and get some curious looks out in the field from other hunters
 
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Ya I believe we cleared that up on pg1, the nut inside my Windage knob is partly stripped allowing it to back off when I rotate that knob... Lock-tite to the rescue!
 
Just grabbed 2 5/20 mags in town, I have 4x GI mag pouches in my stash and at $39 a mag it's going to get expensive to fill em all... Any good deals on mags out there?
 
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