My new AR15

ian_in_vic said:
I'm amazed anyone ever gets charged with anything, really.
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Oh, you don't have to be guilty of anything to be charged :)

You could have all guns taken apart in small pieces, your trigger parts and recieved locked with a cable lock, and all the pieces be poured into a lock box inside your locked vault, and the police can still charge you for careless storage.
 
Arrr... :pirate: There be pirates about...

I agree with the Kiss system on some. At least two thirds of my toys are bone stock! For instance, my vz 52/57, cz 858-2, jungle carbines, mosin nagants... (I could go on) are such great designs, I can't bring myself to do anything but shoot 'em. A wise fella at a gun shop said to me; "The best accessory is ammunition." Let 'er rip, Onagoth, and let us know how you like 'er.
 
cancer said:
Oh, you don't have to be guilty of anything to be charged :)

You could have all guns taken apart in small pieces, your trigger parts and recieved locked with a cable lock, and all the pieces be poured into a lock box inside your locked vault, and the police can still charge you for careless storage.
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Actually, you're right - I hear the strategy is to charge a person with xyz, lay it on heavy about what will happen "when" they are convicted and have the accused accept a prohibition to 'make it go away'. All the while they know that they can't get a conviction, and that they won't ever really prefer charges. I guess this is what we call the "Justice" system
 
mudgunner49 said:
It may negate the actual effectiveness but not the legality...

blake
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What I was saying, is that a trigger lock (unless large enough) would be useless on the rifle because with a simple pen you could open the trigger guard and pull off the trigger guard. Thus negating it's purpose. Whether a cop would have a problem with that, it's all up to event where one stops you and inspects your AR with the trigger lock. So either removing the bolt and locking seperately and/or using a cable lock (through mag housing and ejection port) is preferable.
ian_in_vic said:
Completely correct, the law states that it must have a trigger lock, or other lock, but it does not state that the lock has to be effective, or for example that the key and lock must be kept seperate - simply that the firearm must be secured by it. Again, not that it must be secured against unauthorized use, simply 'secured' which means that it is secure as you leave it. Huge loophole, typical of our firearms law. I'm amazed anyone ever gets charged with anything, really.
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Where did you read this? Sounds typical, but that's a MIGHTY fine loophole. I'm pretty sure it would say somewhere what they define "secure" as. I've honestly never read exact mandate for firearm security. It's basically common sense, and for me, knowledge I've gained from dealing with firearms lockup in the military so have left it at that.
 
I stand corrected, the full text reads 'rendered inoperable by a secure locking device' the 'rendered inoperable' makes a bit of a difference, but not an absolute difference. You could however say that while the 'secure locking device' is attached it's inoperable, it does not specifically require the 'secure locking device' to be non-removable by a person other than the owner. Note the following:

"secure locking device" means a device



(a) that can only be opened or released by the use of an electronic, magnetic or mechanical key or by setting the device in accordance with an alphabetical or numerical combination; and



(b) that, when applied to a firearm, prevents the firearm from being discharged. (dispositif de verrouillage sécuritaire)

The main error is that they have defined a 'secure locking device' I think that they intended to define a secure 'locking device' there is a huge difference between the two. For those who doubt how dumb they are I give you the reference:
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cr/SOR-98-209/bo-ga:s_1/20090721/en#anchorbo-ga:s_1
 
LOL... hmmm. Silly laws. It is incredible how simple diction and/or grammar can make such a difference when it comes to actual meaning. Laws are suppose to be understood literally considering the multitude of perspective, however much controversy can occur over such errors especially for those who seek to circumvent.

Anyway, back on topic. Any luck getting a rear sight for your carbine, Onagoth?
 
nothing worse then having a rifle without sights. I waited 2 weeks for my scope before I could shoot my R-15. I tried all my spare scopes and other bits on it but none worked, almost went out and bought some high rings just to shoot it. :D
 
Ar-15

Nice rifle, man. I've got Colt AR-15 A2, and guess what - I replaced the original upper (with integral handle) with a flat top, where I successfully mounted ACOG scope with Docter Red Dot piggy-backed on top. The best arrangement - gives you excellent optics for bulls-eye and a great red dot for CQB. My suggestion - if you want to use iron sights, get an apperture rear sight that you can mount / dismount on top of your flat upper, don't put the handle on top. Sooner or later, if you want accuracy shooting from that rifle, you'll want to put some optics on it, and they work best on the flat top.
 
Onagoth said:
The $500 was for the 1000 .223 rounds that I just picked up, not the rifle ;)
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Oh right, I couldn't remember what I had asked about. lol. That doesn't seem like too bad of a price. Would .223 be more than factory 7.63x39? Because that is more-so what I was curious about.
 
ShaneN. said:
Oh right, I couldn't remember what I had asked about. lol. That doesn't seem like too bad of a price. Would .223 be more than factory 7.63x39? Because that is more-so what I was curious about.
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Not sure what factory 7.62x39 runs at....Don't most shooters buy the surplus 7.62x39....it runs at around $200 for 1120 rounds IIRC.
 
Onagoth said:
Not sure what factory 7.62x39 runs at....Don't most shooters buy the surplus 7.62x39....it runs at around $200 for 1120 rounds IIRC.
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Yah I've got one here, they're 180 at lever right now. I'm just curious how much non corrosive stuff is.

ps, what's iirc?
 
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