My New Buddy =)

Question,

Last night I was trying to do some reading on field training and I guess you can get dummy ducks and put fake scent on it and use that to train them?

Where could I get one of these? or what else could I do to train her?

I REALLY want to train her for spotting and hopefully bringing back to me Grouse. How can I train her for this? Does anyone have any tips or info?
 
Just took this picture and got a lil creative with it :)

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Thanks RePete :)

It was funny, you should have seen her and I walking down the trail. She will only go maybe 30ft tops ahead of me and stop and wait for me to catch up to her every time.

But when we were walkin, as I said she spotted a field mouse, she was ahead of me and she stopped with her tail up and was sniffin then darted into the snow up to her head chasing the little bugger in the snow but lost it because it had made a tiny tunnel. It was a mouse because I saw the dinky tracks lol.

Then on the way back she stopped at the exact same spot sniffin and checking it out. At first I thought maybe she was smelling a Grouse and got me excited lol.

Ah, we're gonna have lot's of fun for sure!

I will post more picture's of her in do time :)

Was she loping?

Spike, my Lab/Retriever cross, does that.
 
Ya I hear you there :)

I would really like to find some info on how I can go about training her to hunt with me for grouse and now that I have a retriever, ducks!

Please if anyone could help me out and give me some links to read dealing with this or first hand experience it would be greatly appreciated!

My buddy's Dad would take three live pheasants, clip their wings, and chuck 'em in the backyard, then let the dog go find them and bring them back to him. Sounds kinda cruel, but apparently it worked like a charm.
 
I think I have the same dog. Got my dog from a couple that couldn't afford to get her patched up after she fell out of a pick-up truck box. Luckily my wife is a vet and patched her up fine, can't tell she even had some trauma. She's a yellow lab cross and her name is Belle a swell. I wanted to change it but my wife liked it to too much. She's starting to point and flush grouse out for me a little bit, but still likes to chase them a bit too much right now. She's really learning the Heel command really well. She sure doesn't like strangers or strange vehicles and absolutely hates deer and coyotes. Sorry to hi-jack a bit here, but she sure looks like my dog.
BTW, I always liked the name Jesse for a dog, just a suggestion.
 
I think I have the same dog. Got my dog from a couple that couldn't afford to get her patched up after she fell out of a pick-up truck box. Luckily my wife is a vet and patched her up fine, can't tell she even had some trauma. She's a yellow lab cross and her name is Belle a swell. I wanted to change it but my wife liked it to too much. She's starting to point and flush grouse out for me a little bit, but still likes to chase them a bit too much right now. She's really learning the Heel command really well. She sure doesn't like strangers or strange vehicles and absolutely hates deer and coyotes. Sorry to hi-jack a bit here, but she sure looks like my dog.
BTW, I always liked the name Jesse for a dog, just a suggestion.

lol, that is funny huh. Same name. But this one is purebred where as you said yours is a cross.

I am so pumped to try her out hunting with me. I think I will wait till next year though as I would like to get her to fetch a stick and bring it back to me in the water a bunch of times to make her understand that if she has something in her mouth that she is to return it to me type deal ;)

I named her Brandy and she is responding very well to it for not even being 24hours of renaming her!

PS, your not hijacking my thread!
:)
 
My buddy's Dad would take three live pheasants, clip their wings, and chuck 'em in the backyard, then let the dog go find them and bring them back to him. Sounds kinda cruel, but apparently it worked like a charm.

Ya, for sure sounds cruel lol.

But uhm, if I have a pheasant in my possession it is 100% dead :D

That does sound like a fantastic idea though!
 
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It's also good because it helps teach the dog not to damage the bird, because you teach her to not hurt/kill the pheasants...
Also, once you are done, you have some delicious pheasants to eat :)
 
Getting live game is not possible here. But it is a good idea!

Do you or anyone else have any tips,links,ideas how I can train her for upland game birds. That is mainly what I am interested in working with her to train right now. Well. probably come spring because there is to much snow on the ground now.

I can't find any info :(
 
Well, those labs/retrievers have an incredible 'fetch' instinct. I would recommend making a feathered toy and playing fetch outside with her. She will get used to chasing these featherd things, and hopefully will be able to connect it to birds.
 
That is a great idea! and I was thinking about doing something like that last night. But I wonder what I could use.. hmmm. I was thinking one of those rubber chickens lol. But their yellow and have no feathers on em. HMM!

Idea's guy's?

We all had to start some where "Those of us who did it ourselves and didn't pay the $$$ to get a professional to do it for them"
 
Just a thought, though I don't have experience getting a dog to retrieve birds, but am used to teaching dogs to "politely" retrieve and give back objects. If she enjoys retrieving sticks and is happy to come back to you with them, try tieing a "bird" to it, just to associate it with retrieval. That could be anything feathered, from one of those feather boa christmas ornaments or some spare dried bird wings from your next hunting trip (for falconry we'd bake duck wings in the oven, they last reasonably well). Just beware, chicken wings at least can hurt a dog if eaten, so whatever you use make sure it's not dangerous.


The main thing I'd think would be to make sure she doesn't associate the bird with directly with food, or a toy to be ripped apart. As soon as she has the stick and fuzzy bird thing down, switching to just the bird would probably be best. At that point, rewarding her with praise and treats for giving you the "bird" gently would be the name of the game. If she won't be gentle/wants to shake, play tug of war etc, make sure you make it clear that she won't get rewarded for that. It'll take tweaking, but the name of the game is so that she associates politely leaving/giving you the retrieved object with a food award, and does not simply consider the retrieved object as a reward in of itself. If she thinks this, you'll trying to take away her reward each time, which can be frustrating for the both of you.

My 2c anyways...
 
Just a thought, though I don't have experience getting a dog to retrieve birds, but am used to teaching dogs to "politely" retrieve and give back objects. If she enjoys retrieving sticks and is happy to come back to you with them, try tieing a "bird" to it, just to associate it with retrieval. That could be anything feathered, from one of those feather boa christmas ornaments or some spare dried bird wings from your next hunting trip (for falconry we'd bake duck wings in the oven, they last reasonably well). Just beware, chicken wings at least can hurt a dog if eaten, so whatever you use make sure it's not dangerous.


The main thing I'd think would be to make sure she doesn't associate the bird with directly with food, or a toy to be ripped apart. As soon as she has the stick and fuzzy bird thing down, switching to just the bird would probably be best. At that point, rewarding her with praise and treats for giving you the "bird" gently would be the name of the game. If she won't be gentle/wants to shake, play tug of war etc, make sure you make it clear that she won't get rewarded for that. It'll take tweaking, but the name of the game is so that she associates politely leaving/giving you the retrieved object with a food award, and does not simply consider the retrieved object as a reward in of itself. If she thinks this, you'll trying to take away her reward each time, which can be frustrating for the both of you.

My 2c anyways...

Thank you for your advice.

My main question goes like this..

It will be my goal to play fetch with her and have her return said item to me. I am sure that wont be a problem "shes a lab duh :D" but what I am trying to figure out is how I go from fetching the stick to, her actually going with me in the bush and her finding the birds for me or flushing them, then returning them to me after I have shot them.

From fetching a stick to that, there is a big difference no?

As I said, I have never done this before nore do I know anyone who has.

And what would be a "bird wig"? and when you say a bird on the stick, you mean... me actually going out and shooting a grouse and then tieing it to said stick and making her fetch it?
 
First off, Congrats on getting such a beautiful looking dog, the Labrador retreiver has to be, in my mind, the finest hunting dog and companion on the planet. It is just to bad that that we outlive them. Anyways, here are my $0.02:

Step one: You have to define what it is that you want to do with you dog. I think you have done that by stating that you mainly want to hunt upland birds. Labs generally are used for flushing upland game birds, where as a pointing dog...well points, and a setter well.....sets, on a bird. There are some breedings of labs that will point, but I am fairly confident that the one you have is not of this breeding.

Labs love structure. They respond very well to any type of training, and especially like to know where they stand in the world, especially when it come to their standing in the hierarchy of the "Pack" relationship. So you, and the dog are the new "Pack" and guess who gets to be the leader. I f you guessed the dog......WRONG. The first thing I would do, is go through some basic training, ie. obedience. Does she sit on command? Does she heel? Does she come back reliably when you call her? She is so "New" to you that these might not be quite evident yet. If all these things are not in place I would start there. All these things will also keep her safe, while you are out hunting, cause the last thing any one needs is to accidentally shoot there dog, because it didn't follow a command, or is unruly around other people or theier hunting dogs.

Step 2: It is not difficult to get a retriever to retrieve. The trick is to get them to retrieve to you. Labs have a basic instinct to go and, well.....retrieve, but they retrieve to sustain themselves, not to please you. Get yourself a plastic bumper, or some toy like a tennis ball, and only use that bumper or tennis ball for your training activities. I highly recommend not throwing sticks for your dog, else they will pick up every stick in the woods and surrounding area to retrieve, there by generally pissing you off. And if they do pick up a stick, do not take it from them, but rather let them play with it until they are done. Or take it from them and say "NO, Leave It". Anyways, to get them to bring the bumper back to you, make it as fun as possible, get down on your knees and clap, and make a big fuss of them several times over, for many days. Fuss them up a lot when they get to you with the bumper, and soon they will come back to you fairly reliably.

Step 3: I fyou have access to your game species that you want to train them for do so now. It is best to start a young dog off with a wing, or a frozen whole bird. Your dog looks old enough that it should not have a problem holing a whole bird in its mouth. I like to use frozen, because it is hard for the dog to chew, or tear apart the bird. Very bad things will happen, if your dog, even once, decides to rip apart a bird and try to consume it, I can not stress this enough. Once it does it once, and gets a taste of the bird it will be very difficult to get them to not do this every time. Anyways, use the frozen bird or wing for a time, and get them to do the same things as step 2, ie. bringing the bird back reliably, with hand clapping, high pitched voice etc.. They soon get to know when a training session is going to happen, and they will be very exited, and soon will be begging you to do this. You have probably noticed that there is no food enticement involved with this whole process, and that is as it should be.

Step 4: This is probably one of the biggest things, and the one that screws up more dogs than anything else. Introduction to gunfire. Please do not go out with the 12 guage, and blast it over the dogs head. I the dog has been introduced to this already, that is good, but here is what I suggest. Start off slow. When the dog is eating, lightly bang some pots together. I fno adverse reaction do it a bit louder. If there is an adverse reaction, get them exited and happy and go back to lightly banging some pots while they are eating, and slowly work the sound level up. Same goes for outdoors. take a .22 out with you on a walk, and when the dog is a distance away from you, fire a shot. the dog will probably look at you, but give it a "GOOD GIRL" or whatever, to mke sure it knows it is alright. Slowly work it up so that the dog is closer and closer to you when you shoot. Them work it up to a shot gun. Same again, make sure the dog is quite a distance from you when fire the shotgun for the first time, and slowly work the dog closer. Any adverse effects, slow down and go back.

This is a much abridged version of Retriever Training, there is way more to it than I could possibly type in one sitting, and there are other opinions out there than mine, but this should get you started. Enjoy your new dog, and keep training sessions short, 15 - 20 mins. at a go is plenty fot=r them to take in in one session.

Hope this helps.

Oh ya, here are some links for you:

http://www.oakhillkennel.com/
Go to the Library section, some good stuff there.

http://www.retrieversonline.com/
The quintesential Canadian Retriever Site
 
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Your getting some great advice from Whammy ther northwoods'.

I grew up with Chesapeake Bay Retreivers, real similar to a lab. And I've had a few lab cross dogs through the years too. And I've known lots of pure bread labradors too. They're one of the most rewarding and easiest to deal with type of dogs going as far as I'm concerned.

As far as advice for training as a hunting dog I can help some. :) But first, the most important advice for this class of dog is to understand that you need to be carefull not to over feed them. Their genetics allow them to swim in freezing water for hours at a time and also tell them to fuel up (eat) when ever they can. They can become fat and even obese if left to chow at will especially as they get older and specially if they don't get enough excersise. It sounds like you'll be excersising her lots so that's all good :cool: Still though I'd make sure she eats roughly what she should for her weight.

For retreiving my dad always just started with a ball or a small canvas sack or whatever. Get her trained to sit by your side and stay as you toss the ball. After a pause tell her 'fetch' and then to go get it and bring it right back and sit down beside you again. Work on this. Be patient until its down pretty pat.

Then start training with a sented dummy to get her to fetch the same without tearing it up! A small chunk of 2x4 with nails driven through so they're protruding say half an inch wrapped in a canvas bag with some grouse wings taped on works great. A little harsh? I haven't found so. A pup will bite down hard only once and not get hurt I have found. Get the sit, stay, fetch, return and sit thing worked out...

Now as long as she'll come to you whenever you're walking the bush you're ready to go chicken hunt'n :D Let her rome year you and when she flushes some grouse to come and sit. This could take a bit :runaway:

When I was in my late teens my dad had raised/trained a female Chesy that I hunted grouse with a lot. In her prime about 5 years old she would hunt, I'd stroll along with, and when she treed a grouse hand signals were enough to get her to come and sit right beside me. I'd shoot the treed grouse, give her a hand signal and she'd retrieve it and drop it at my feet. She'd be wimpering and shaking all the way but did the job perfectly with no damage to dinner...
 
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7.62mm is right on about that stick thing. My dog picks up EVERY SINGLE F@$!ING STICK SHE SEES!!!!
And, yes, it does get annoying.
 
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