My new M91/30 42 Izhevsk.

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I finally got my new Mosin 91/30 out to the range today. It's a 1942 Izhevsk, Ukrainian refurb. Nothing special about it: High wall round receiver. I would have included some range reports but I couldn't get any round on the target. It shoots two feet high at 100 yds, and God knows at 200 yds. This is with the rear sight in the lowest postion. It has a globe and post front site that is non-adjustable. I'm sure there is a fix for this if someone knows.

The other problem is that the stock is too short for me. To sight it properly, I didn't have it firmly placed in my shoulder and it kicked the crap out of me. I ordered a recoil pad extender for it this afternoon. All in all, I came home with a sore shoulder and no holes in the targets that resembled groups. I was shooting 184g MFS ammo.

I'd better get this fixed fast before the weather gets nice and I decide to use it as a tomato stake or a paddle for my dinghy. :bangHead:

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You only ever forget to bring a recoil pad when shooting milsurps once. A good slip on rubber or leather recoil pad is all you need. Most give an extra cm or two of pull. I'm 6ft 3 and I find the pull on the Mosin fine as is....

Bubba Free Accurizing the Mosin Nagant

1st: Don't use that ammo any more, Mosins like 147/150 grn bullets.

2nd: If you do need to sand the barrel channel, leave the last two inches at the end alone. I wrapped some felt around that end, works like a charm.

3rd: Slug your bore. There is a good chance that your bore is .311 or .312. Tips here: Mosin Nagant Bore Slugging Tutorial Should take about 5 minutes and $5 worth of stuff if you already have a vernier caliper. If not, get one. Every man needs one anyway.

4th: Reload.

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Good things are possible, even 100m away.

I really need to edit out that flyer. :p

PS: Why are your table mats backwards?
 
I'll put the ammo up for sale and find some lighter stuff. I'm 6'1" and find the pull way to short. The trigger is horrible too. I will slug it and do some sight mods, but there's not much I like about this one. Thanks Tyler. I'm dissapointed right now, but will get back at it later.
 
Chumlee, hows your shooting position? Are you squaring your shoulders to the target, or on an angle? I know its nice to have your guns fit you, but with the range of milsurp and commercial rifles/shotguns I own Ive just gotten used to fitting myself to the gun. The MFS ammo may be alot hotter than what the Mosin was made for, whch would cause the shots to go high. Tyler, Ive seen that article before but thanks for posting it, it'll come in real handy when my '43 Mosin gets here! P.S. IIRC the Mosin Nagant was sighted with the bayonet in place, maybe Artyman knows more on this?
 
Chumlee Bumsnag said:
I'll put the ammo up for sale and find some lighter stuff. I'm 6'1" and find the pull way to short. The trigger is horrible too. I will slug it and do some sight mods, but there's not much I like about this one. Thanks Tyler. I'm dissapointed right now, but will get back at it later.
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You need to make your sight post longer. Get a small piece of heat shrink. Put it on your sight post about 3/8 of an inch longer is fine. Take the rifle out and shoot it. Cut the heat shrink until your rifle hits the point of aim at 100 yard setting. Take your new vernier calipers and measure the overall length you now have. Next take your rifle to your gunsmith and ask him to mill you out a new sight post and install it (20 bucks maybe). Or simply have him do it. Take your rifle out and enjoy. It's also easy to lighten the trigger pull on these with some polishing and a very tiny spacer under the spring. Just youtube it.

-Dave
 
The rifle will shoot quite high with no bayonet, as you've discovered. Take a little tube of heat shrink or plastic wire insulator and slip it over the front sight to raise it about a millimeter. This will get you closer to a zero for your elevation at 100 yards. Adding your 147gr surplus loads will shoot even higher than your 184gr mfs. If you can get tight group at 50 yards, you will save a lot of ammo as opposed to spewing rounds down range at 100 or 200 and never really know where they hit.


As mentioned, and worth repeating: make sure everything is tight. Contact of the barrel to stock, only at the end. And mostly, slug the bore. I'm using .312 bullets in my 150gr loads, and tightened my groups from 8inches/100yards to 4inches/100 yards.
 
davemccarthy707 said:
You need to make your sight post longer. Get a small piece of heat shrink. Put it on your sight post about 3/8 of an inch longer is fine. Take the rifle out and shoot it. Cut the heat shrink until your rifle hits the point of aim at 100 yard setting. Take your new vernier calipers and measure the overall length you now have. Next take your rifle to your gunsmith and ask him to mill you out a new sight post and install it (20 bucks maybe). Or simply have him do it. Take your rifle out and enjoy. It's also easy to lighten the trigger pull on these with some polishing and a very tiny spacer under the spring. Just youtube it.

-Dave
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Hi Dave
I saw some vids on extending the sight post. I will definitely do this when time permits. Good tip, thanks.

Hi Supernova.
I'm looking for new ammo as we speak. My close-up vision is not good, and I like more relief from the rear sight. Hence the sore shoulder. I think an extra inch or so will make it feel better. Tyler is 6'3" and he finds the Mosin is ok, but his eyesight is probably better than mine.
 
Hey guys,

Thanks for the mention! I have been very busy for the past week and have not had my share of posts this week. IRT the Mosin, the 91/30 was indeed sighted in with 150gr milsurp ball ammo and the bayonet attached. That being said, try and start with 150gr ammo and the bayonet in the fixed position. If your groups are still poor try slugging your bore and trying different brands of ammo. Reloads are of course the best. Most Mosins will shoot high and usually to the right without the bayonet affixed, however since having a bayonet on every time you shoot usually isnt the most practical you can slip on a cut q-tip and colour it black. This is a real quick fix that wont give you a very fine sight picture, but it is good enough for guaging how well of a shooter your rifle is.
 
6'2" here, and for some reason I prefer Mosin stocks over all the milsurps I've shot to date. I find them quite comfortable and just the right height for me to get a good cheek weld.

I'd second the recommendation to fix bayonet before opening fire; both my Mosins (1945 Izveshk M44 and 1928 Tula ex-Dragoon) shoot better with the shtyk on. They also seem to like the light steelcore ball ammo Marstar brought in a couple of months ago.

Neither has a bullseye zero; I think that they were zeroed for a COM hold on imperialist capitalist targets...
 
collector67 said:
Try shooting it with the bayonet attached. The results may surprise you...
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I have four Mosins now since this time last year. Shooting with the bayonet affixed will lower your POI but I've found no evidence so far that tightens the groupings.

I hunt with my milsurps and its simply not practical to carry the weight or burden yourself with the extra length of the bayonet.


Back to the individual rifle as per OP, Have you examined the crown properly? I took a 91/30 into a gunsmith last fall and spent forty bucks for some crown touch ups. Made a huge difference as my first shots were 8 and 10 inches at 25 yards.


As previously stated, slug the bore and going to homeloads makes the biggest difference in the ammo category.
 
If you ever decide to get into reloading give cast bullets a try. I shoot cast out of most of my milsurp rifles. Many of these rifles shoot high with jacketed bullets with rear sight at lowest setting. Most shoot to point of aim or lower with same setting and cast. At 50yds my 1935 M/N 91/30 shoots to point of aim with 200gr cast with rear sight at 4. Other advantages to cast our less recoil, lower cost (once you are set up for reloading) and bullet diameter can be matched to bore diameter.
Cast bullets are available commercially as well as do it yourself.
 
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