My New Mosin M91/30, Tell me about it/pics/updates/thank you's
- Thread starter BBq_Woa!
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Military surplus rifles do not have to be boring, they can be as accurate as the most expensive boil in the bag stainless steel and plastic piece of crap.
A classic milsurp that is also a tack driver is a diamond, anything else is just plain boring.
A classic milsurp that is also a tack driver is a diamond, anything else is just plain boring.
Spencer said:
Spoken like someone that doesn't know how to shoot......
All a scope does is let you see your target better, it doesn't make the rifle more accurate. Just because you can't shoot with irons doesn't mean no one else can.....
Nyles said:
Are you saying that milsurp rifles can not also be precision rifles ?
Nyles said:
I have not insulted anyone, it was not me that brought this subject up. Only yesterday he was going to fit a scope and a bent bolt handle and I was mug enough to waste a load of time trying to help him out
Hitzy said:Spoken like someone that doesn't know how to shoot......
All a scope does is let you see your target better, it doesn't make the rifle more accurate. Just because you can't shoot with irons doesn't mean no one else can.....
Can you shoot 4" groups at 400yds with iron sights ? I somehow doubt it. I have a scoped milsurp that can do this with regularity.
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Loosen-tighten...
Hi, BBQ_woa!
Did you have time to separate the action from the stock? No?
Ok, so it's still time to tell you about the two barrel bands. Yours are of the old second type which loosen their grip on the wood when you TIGHTEN the screw; be careful with these when putting them back on and you want to tighten them again: do not unscrew that screw too strongly or the retaining end will snap off and you'll have to replace the entire band.
If you succeed in getting the barreled action out of the stock, take a look under the rear tang. There usually are stamps there that can identify the receiver's maker.
If you find those marks, could you post them here, please?
Thanks!
PP.
Hi, BBQ_woa!
Did you have time to separate the action from the stock? No?
Ok, so it's still time to tell you about the two barrel bands. Yours are of the old second type which loosen their grip on the wood when you TIGHTEN the screw; be careful with these when putting them back on and you want to tighten them again: do not unscrew that screw too strongly or the retaining end will snap off and you'll have to replace the entire band.
If you succeed in getting the barreled action out of the stock, take a look under the rear tang. There usually are stamps there that can identify the receiver's maker.
If you find those marks, could you post them here, please?
Thanks!
PP.
thanks very much for the warning !
I'm a little confused though. are the threads simply counter-clockwise-tight, or is it more complicated than that?
I will check for markings and post a pic whenever I do that,
as for the bolts tightness, I took out and dissasembled the bolt, cleaned it thoroughly with WD-40, (no more sticky cosmoline), then cleaned the WD off, then oiled, reassembled, put it back in the gun, oiled below it, my usual routine etc.
it's a bit better now, but still a bit tough..im sure it'll smooth out later.
Thanks again all!
I'm a little confused though. are the threads simply counter-clockwise-tight, or is it more complicated than that?
I will check for markings and post a pic whenever I do that,
as for the bolts tightness, I took out and dissasembled the bolt, cleaned it thoroughly with WD-40, (no more sticky cosmoline), then cleaned the WD off, then oiled, reassembled, put it back in the gun, oiled below it, my usual routine etc.
it's a bit better now, but still a bit tough..im sure it'll smooth out later.
Thanks again all!
Spencer said:
Sorry to barge in here, but what are you hitting the man size target with that 45/70 of yours? The dirt splash from those slugs hitting the ground ten feet in front of it... lol sorry I just had to do that...
NICE RIFLE BBq Woa! Love its history. How and where do I get one....?
K98ACTION said:
Do what exactly ?
K98ACTION said:NICE RIFLE BBq Woa! Love its history. How and where do I get one....?
I will be keeping an eye out for one as well. I like the Finish part of them, you can't beat a nice piece of wood. I can't stand the plywood stocks.
Spencer said:Do what exactly ?
I will be keeping an eye out for one as well. I like the Finish part of them, you can't beat a nice piece of wood. I can't stand the plywood stocks.
I've got a few milsurps that are stock iron sighted. The only reason I can't get better groups with them is sadly my eye sight is not perfect, and I find it hard to focus those tiny mauser v-notches... peeps definetly better, scope definetly betterer. Point is the rifles capability is what it is. An optic will help you see the tgt better, and for me probably would improve my grouping, but there is no way in hell I would install a peep sight on one of my collectable Mausers. A scope maybe, but then I mise well empty the bank account, because it would have to be correct, and Mauser war era mounts and scopes don't come cheap. Then there is all the other changes I would have to make to keep it authentic.
But I could BUBBA one of my mil surps and put a anything goes scope on it, sure I might be able to get better groups because I can see the tgt better, but then on the flip side I would have a BUBBA.
JUST SAY NO TO BUBBA
K98ACTION said:I've got a few milsurps that are stock iron sighted. The only reason I can't get better groups with them is sadly my eye sight is not perfect, and I find it hard to focus those tiny mauser v-notches... peeps definetly better, scope definetly betterer. Point is the rifles capability is what it is. An optic will help you see the tgt better, and for me probably would improve my grouping, but there is no way in hell I would install a peep sight on one of my collectable Mausers. A scope maybe, but then I mise well empty the bank account, because it would have to be correct, and Mauser war era mounts and scopes don't come cheap. Then there is all the other changes I would have to make to keep it authentic.
But I could BUBBA one of my mil surps and put a anything goes scope on it, sure I might be able to get better groups because I can see the tgt better, but then on the flip side I would have a BUBBA.
JUST SAY NO TO BUBBA
I used to think that Bubba was a man who fixed firearms with a hacksaw and a big hammer, but it would seem on this forum to mean anyone who does ANYTHING to a firearm no matter the quality of the work.
What makes me laugh about all this preserving "historic" firearms is that many of these firearms are nothing more than factory Bubbas, it would seem many of the Finnish Mosin Nagants are classic examples of this. A reciever made in Russia with a barrel made in Belgium, put together with a non original stock in a factory in Finland. If that ain't a "BUBBA" by this forums standards then I don't know what is.
I would also only install the right mount for the rifle, ( unless a good non gunsmithing mount is available) but I would not worry about it having been made at the same time as the rifle, a lump of metal is a lump of metal no matter when it was made. As for the scope it's self I don't think it really makes much difference as this can be changed at an time. The trouble with the old scopes is that the optics are lacking by todays standards. I wish leupold would make a line of retro scopes with modern optics, I'm sure they would sell well.
You say Point is the rifles capability is what it is. . If you are happy with a rifle no matter how it shoots just the way it was when you got it then fine, I certainly am not going to loose any sleep over it.
What interests me personally is the design, not just the rifle it's self. I think that when every designer sets out to design a rifle he would do his utmost to design it to be as accurate as possible. I can see nothing but good in ignoring the present capability and bringing out the full potential, as long as it done with care. If everyone had the same attitude as the don't do anying brigade that exists around here we would still be shooting bows and arrows.
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Spencer said:
No offence, but that is some twisted logic. Bubba is an individual. What you are describing was an attempt by a state arsenal to build weapons suitable to their Army's needs as cheaply and quickly as possible to defend themselves at a very dark period in our history. They are 'official bubbas' with a history of their own and a story to tell.
That is not the same as bubba buying a mil-surp rifle and adding as many accessories as he sees fit to take deer or moose. Nor is it the same as making imitation 'sniper rifles' from spare parts.
There are a glut of well priced purpose built hunting rifles on the market, like the Stevens line of rifles, as well as used hunting rifles with plenty of life left at a reasonable price. To me there is no need to cut up a piece of history to make it more 'usefull'.
But hey, it's a free world. Cut up as many as you like, as mine will only go up in value because of it.
Tyler said:
Damn I just spat coffee all over my keyboard, I have now learnt that Bubba is a good guy as long as he worked as an official
I don't put scopes on my rifles to go hunting or to try to recreate original snipers,I put them on as it makes them much more practical. If I could get the same accuracy without them I would never put a scope on a rifle.
I don't by rifles as investments I buy them to shoot, and therein lies the value to me. I could as you say buy a commercial scoped rifle but they are not to my liking. I have never "cut up a rifle", I have drilled a few holes and bent a few of bolts, it's part of my rifles history !
