My Norinco Crapped Out!

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Anyway, my HP9-1 had a very poor-broken trigger group. I replaced much of what is on it except for the receiver and tube. The receiver and tube are awesome. Ideally you want the Norinco for the receiver, then everything else Remington (or DLASK for barrel) :)

Going this route is still cheaper than getting a new Wingmaster or Police which is nutz (minus the barrel).

so the barrel quality is less than ideal? When you say you have replaced everything except "the receiver and tube" do you mean mag tube? Just wondering b/c I am in the market for a 14" or shorter barrel and was considering Norinco if one came up..

Thanks!
 
nothing wrong with the barrle, as long at you leave it the way it came, dont have it gun for tubes, just not enought meat to it.
as it was just posted, best thing to do with a norinco hp 9 is strap it down to just the stripped frame and barrle and junk the rest.
my trick is to buy a hp9 and a rem 870 express 7shot
put the barrle on the rem 870 fro mthe nork, the rem barrle and mag tube on the nork and sell off the nork.
The arma kote the rem 870 and put on iron sites.
bbb
 
nothing wrong with the barrle, as long at you leave it the way it came, dont have it gun for tubes, just not enought meat to it.
as it was just posted, best thing to do with a norinco hp 9 is strap it down to just the stripped frame and barrle and junk the rest.
my trick is to buy a hp9 and a rem 870 express 7shot
put the barrle on the rem 870 fro mthe nork, the rem barrle and mag tube on the nork and sell off the nork.
The arma kote the rem 870 and put on iron sites.
bbb
 
Let me get this straight. You would sooner buy two shotguns, bastardize both of them to create a franken gun. For the sole purpose of gaining what exactly?? Is this all for a 14" barrel? If so, you folks need help. short barreled shotguns are overrated and seriously hamper magazine capacity. The cost of buying two shotguns with the sole purpose of ending up with a short barrel gun is insane.


BBB,
What makes you say the M88 is junk? They're Mossberg parts assembled in a different location. Either way you look at it. I paid half what others have for either a Remington or a Norinco and my gun hasn't failed. In fact, I know a guy who took a defensive shotgun course with his M88 and it was the only shotgun that did not fail. Remington, Mossberg, Benelli, and Fabarm were all present on the course. Then again, maybe I'm just working with borrowed time before mine fails. I'll wait and see.

TDC
 
Bastardize two guns to get a masterpiece ;) I did it for the crisp, clean lines of the Norinco receiver rather than the pitted rough Express.
I knew I was going to get a Dlask barrel so I figured since I am blowing $300+ on a barrel, I might as well get a nice receiver to go with it :)

Seriously, it is a little insane, but at the end of the day I have a shotgun that no one else has, appears as bad ass as shotguns get and I know intimately.

I will post pics at the end of this month as it will explain much better than I ever could with words (it's getting parkerized). :)
 
My Homeland Security is still kicking, it's actually better now since everything
is smoothen out in the inside ....
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=180281

No worries there Boomer686, if they found defective in the receiver they
will replace it ......


I hope so. Mine is the 14" version for those that are wondering. It's just been a real piss off.
The selling dealer will be notified about my shipping expenses to the warranty depot. I'll let him know how I feel about it too and if there can't be some kind of agreement to my staisfaction I guess there'll be another new thread about sh*tty service from a supporting dealer (which I'm sure will be locked and discarded by the mods ASAP). I'm still not sure what I am more upset about... the bum shotty or the bum service....

Regards,
 
BADBOYBEESON;
"The norinco stuff is hit or miss."
I will explain again, there are a few importers of Norinco into Canada, some do not offer any garantee while others offer some, customer pays shipping, etc etc....
The major point here is: Most importers do not set up a QC criteria with the factory, in those cases you do have "The norinco stuff is hit or miss." situation.
Marstar has a very strict QC policy with the factory, that is why we can offer the garantee that we have in place.... And we back it up, as we do with any product we sell.
Please do not throw all importers into the same class
John
 
Sorry that's gotta hurt!!......but I could have told you that was highly likely to happen.......I work with steel every day and trust me there is a difference!! All my Remy's have thousands of rounds....literally....thru them and never a problem!!!!! That's why you don't buy a commy piece of @#$% and buy from North American owned companies and support the manufacturers that support us!!!!!! If at all possible get your money back and buy a............
 
john that is a good point to make.
The china gun makers will make the guns or anything , as good or as bad as you pay for .
At my work we have 50% of the items we sell come from china and they are perfect in every way.
I have owned 5 norinco HP9 show guns and worked on 8 others.
3 of them did not come by way of marstar and 2 of them we had to do alot of work to.
Only 1 of the marstar gun did i have any real problems with.
So it is easy for me to say i would not buy a "stock" norinco imported from anyone but marstar as you do seem to have the best norincos on the market.
As i allmost allways strip and rebuild the HP9,s i play with it does not really matter to me.
But for them that are intrested in a HP9, i will say again , i think the marstar ones are better.
bbb



BADBOYBEESON;
"The norinco stuff is hit or miss."
I will explain again, there are a few importers of Norinco into Canada, some do not offer any garantee while others offer some, customer pays shipping, etc etc....
The major point here is: Most importers do not set up a QC criteria with the factory, in those cases you do have "The norinco stuff is hit or miss." situation.
Marstar has a very strict QC policy with the factory, that is why we can offer the garantee that we have in place.... And we back it up, as we do with any product we sell.
Please do not throw all importers into the same class
John
 
I have seen way more expensive remmys break and also seen the remmy reps dink around the owners on warranties, so welcome to the world of Canadian firearms owners. :rolleyes:
 
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you guys are not helping a bunch, the question was should i get a replacement and should i pay freight


my answer to your question is, they should replace it, if so , i think i would pay freight at least one way, no fixin it, replace it
 
BADBOYBEESON;
"The norinco stuff is hit or miss."
I will explain again, there are a few importers of Norinco into Canada, some do not offer any garantee while others offer some, customer pays shipping, etc etc....
The major point here is: Most importers do not set up a QC criteria with the factory, in those cases you do have "The norinco stuff is hit or miss." situation.
Marstar has a very strict QC policy with the factory, that is why we can offer the garantee that we have in place.... And we back it up, as we do with any product we sell.
Please do not throw all importers into the same class
John

Thats why I bought mine from Marstar!!!

Had a little problem with mine and they fixed it without a problem.
 
Mine had a barrel concentricity problem which you can find on any gun. Marstar made it good without argument, and paid the replacement freight. A dealer with a good reputation makes word-of-mouth marketing work!
 
Nothing wrong with MIM, if the engineering team and process team do their jobs properly

Interesting. I assume you're qualified to make that claim? I happen to be a mechanical engineer who works with metal specifications daily. You?

MIM parts are GREAT if you want a low-cost part that requires only very minimal machining to very tight dimensional tolerances. The problem is, the process inherently increases the chance of steel inclusions.

Most people don't really understand MIM. Basically (in layman's terms), you melt powdered steel into a polymer (plastic) media. You then inject this metal/plastic slurry into a regular injection mold, just like as if the parts were plastic.

Next, you use a series of solvents to dissolve out as much of the plastic as possible. This leaves metal loosely bonded with minimal grain adherence.

Finally, you sinter the part until the steel grains fully adhere and then you finish machine and use whatever heat treatment the specification calls for.

The problem step is the polymer removal. It's easy to not get it all out. when you sinter the part, any remaining polymer is vaporized and can create inclusions. At the best of times, you only get 98% density as compared to a billet-machined part. That extra 2% is accounted for by micro-inclusions. Sometimes the micro-inclusions aren't so "micro" and given the cost-reduction reason you probably went the MIM route, you aren't going to non-destrctive test (NDT) every single part.

MIM can be a good, cost effective alternative, but nobody in their right mind would use MIM instead of machined steel except as a cost reduction strategy, or to create a part that would otherwise not be possible to make due to complex shape, etc.

If/when a MIM part fails, it usually happens at an inclusion site.

MIM parts aren't overly likely to fail, but they are more likely to fail than a part machined from billet. Period. It's an undisputed FACT amongst design engineers.
 
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Update... after SEVERAL weeks wait I finally got my replacement shotgun today. Big thanks to Dan the gunsmith at North Sylva Company (the selling dealer's warranty depot for Norinco products) making the transfers and replacement painless for me, which BTW was a lot more than the selling dealer Frontier Taxidermy, did for me: no help other than a phone number with no name and not so much as an apology let alone an offer to cover my shipping costs. Dan however did arrange free return shipping for me. Live & learn.

Regards,
 
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