My Norinco Type 97 Shorty - Range Report Post # 80!!!!

Yes, I had a good look at your pics in post 80.

Clobbersauras said:
The realsword one doesn't do that - it just doevtails over the whole thing and two top screws hold it in place. Not a great design IMO but should work OK since it's only a .223.
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Clobbersauras said:
Lector - this is a airsoft mount - not military.... it slides onto the mount from the front and then the two screws "lock" it down. You don't drill holes into anything. The only thing that holds it on is the pressure from the two screws.
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Yeah, well..... Thanks for the additional details.
I know I will be hated (again) by some of you,
but I didn't know you call the airsoft one "realsworld" :eek:



The good news is that you can make that airsoft mount
(provided that is aluminum)
to make use of the recoil lug on the rail.
All you need is to drill and tap the mount
at the exact position in such a manner that a bolt (screw)
assembled in the mount would be
exactly at the rear of the recoil lug.
 
Dr.Lector said:
Yes, I had a good look at your pics in post 80.



Yeah, well..... Thanks for the additional details.
I know I will be hated (again) by some of you,
but I didn't know you call the airsoft one "realsworld" :eek:



The good news is that you can make that airsoft mount
(provided that is aluminum)
to make use of the recoil lug on the rail.
All you need is to drill and tap the mount
at the exact position in such a manner that a bolt (screw)
assembled in the mount would be
exactly at the rear of the recoil lug.
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Well that' s what they did I just wasn't smart enough to catch onto it...

I took the mount off to take pics then I realized that by sliding the mount and adjusting the screws slightly I could slide it forwards and the forward screw would catch on the little nub (recoil lug) on the type 97 rail. All I had to do is apply forward pressure while I tightened her down (with a good dose of locktie applied). There is no way that the mount will move forward on the rail now. It could be moved backwards a few mm I guess if really knocked hard but I grabbed the rifle by the scope and mount and shook the sh!t out of it and it didn't move, so I think the mount is a little better than I originally thought. This Real Sword mount is aluminum so it should be pretty robust. I believe Nemo has the same mount and he has had no problems with his. A mount like the one Lector originally described would be ideal though and if more people pick up the 97 I'm sure someone will produce one.

The 97 rail...note the "nub" at the front of it..
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The bottom of the Real Sword rail...
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Dovetail..
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Side shot -- thank god the wording is covered when mounted;)
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Urban_Ops said:
What changes would you like to see in a mount for the 97?
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Well - The first thing I would like to see is a sighting channel through the middle of the mount. The Real Sword one (as you can see from the pics) doesn't have one, rendering the irons useless. I think Real Sword got the height and length about right (could be a tiny bit lower I suppose). I'm not sure if an arms type lever would work as the plastic comes up a little high, but the 4x Norc scope that you see in other threads has a similar method of attachement.

I was wondering if a rail were built with a recess in the bottom of it that the recoil lug on the stock rail would fit into would work? Then the rail wouldn't move forwards or back at all. The problem then would be how to attach the rear of the mount to the dovetail...

Actually if you had a half dovetail with a recess in the front for the lug and screws at the back that you mount it up solid as a rock...

This is kinda what I mean...remove the material in white..

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The bottom of the rail - remove the material in red and the mount could installed by placing it on top of the 97 rail so the the grooves line up and then sliding it forward until the locking lug went into the recess (in blue) at least I think that may work...

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Clobbersauras said:
Well that' s what they did I just wasn't smart enough to catch onto it...

I took the mount off to take pics then I realized that by sliding the mount and adjusting the screws slightly I could slide it forwards and the forward screw would catch on the little nub (recoil lug) on the type 97 rail. All I had to do is apply forward pressure while I tightened her down (with a good dose of locktie applied). There is no way that the mount will move forward on the rail now. It could be moved backwards a few mm I guess if really knocked hard but I grabbed the rifle by the scope and mount and shook the sh!t out of it and it didn't move, so I think the mount is a little better than I originally thought. This Real Sword mount is aluminum so it should be pretty robust. I believe Nemo has the same mount and he has had no problems with his. A mount like the one Lector originally described would be ideal though and if more people pick up the 97 I'm sure someone will produce one.
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You figured it out. Good.
Next time don't use locktite, unless you have
strong and positive reasons to believe it will come loose.

And remember, whenever in doubt, ask yourself
"What would Deckard do in this situation?" :D


My turn now to say "I didn't know":
I didn't know "realsword" meant "Real Sword". I never heard of them.
I thought it was a typo and you meant "real world".
In my previous posts, by pointing out differences between
"real world" and airsoft, I didn't mean to offend you.

Back to the regular programming.
 
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A little Photoshop can help a lot...:)

So half length of the dovetail is not useful and can be machined away to save some weight?

Michael
 
Urban_Ops said:
The area you indicated to machine away, it justs floats and isn't in contact with anything for stability?
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well the photoshop I did wasn't really to scale. the type 97 rail is probably two thirds of the length of the RS mount. The areas I indicated for removal were so you could mount it from the top...if you look at the pic in post #112 you can see that the type 97 mount has three sets of "ears" and a recoil lug. If you made a mount like I suggested you could mount the rail from the top and then slide it foreward so that it catches over the recoil lug; tighten some screws and it should be solid as a rock even though it has a lot less material than the RS mount.

You would be the expert though, this is just wishfull thinking on my part.

Could someone post a pic of the mounting system on the Type 97 scope? It would be interesting to see how they do it...and it may give Urban Ops some ideas.....



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Where can I get a knock-off mount to get dimensions from?
If the pic in post #112 is of the 97 I think the mount could be made very nicely with reliefs for the 3 sets of tabs.
So if I understand correctly, you drop the mount over the tabs, push it forward to the recoil shoulder and use the 2 machine screws to draw the mating surfaces(dovetail) together?
 
Urban_Ops said:
Where can I get a knock-off mount to get dimensions from?
If the pic in post #112 is of the 97 I think the mount could be made very nicely with reliefs for the 3 sets of tabs.
So if I understand correctly, you drop the mount over the tabs, push it forward to the recoil shoulder and use the 2 machine screws to draw the mating surfaces(dovetail) together?
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Exactly! That's what would make sense to me. The pic in post #112 is exactly like the mount on my type 97. Like I said - I hope someone posts a pic of the mount on the scope that Lever Arms sells...that would tell us a lot.

The only thing I could think of for you to get a knock off mount is to order an airsoft type 97. Apparently they are built by Norinco and a firm in Japan so the mount on the rifle should be the same. I mean, the airsoft mount they built to fit their airsoft rifle fits a real type 97 so it should be exactly the same.

Here's a link to the airsoft atlanta site (you need to add a "w" because we can't hot-link) they sell for $429 a piece :eek:.

http://ww.airsoftatlanta.com/aeg.htm

scroll down to real sword and you'll find it.

One thing to keep in mind...my Real Sword mount almost doesn't fit because the front sight is so close. One the regular Type 97 this isn't an issue because the front sight is much farther out, The shorty front sight is just at the end of the handguard and the Real Sword mount was almost too long to slide onto the front of the rail...just keep it in mind if you actually go ahead and design one...if I can be of any help with more pics etc...let me know...
 
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Clobb:

So the marked section of the dovetail would be just hollow "cave" when it sits on top of the 97 mount? Or there is no space for the lug, right?

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Michael
 
Clobb:

What about this:

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Can you use iron sight when the rail is on?

That's what my M14 rail looks like, and yes, I can use iron sight on my M14.

Michael
 
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