My Rights ....... Rant!!

I sympathise with you Super... the Moose hunting here in Ontario has been affected in much the same manner by a greedy minority and a limp-wristed government.
I wish I could up and move sometimes too... but family and freinds are hard to leave behind.
 
SuperCub said:
After the Donald Marshall decision, nobody will say anything, except grumble in the corner.

sc


Thanks Supreem Court - We are so lucky to have you protecting our rights and ensuring equal and fair treatment for all. Your decisions are very short sited, and in the end will do more harm than good.
 
I have calculated the zone by zone cutbacks in tags, and the zones which are in close proximity to the native reserves and/or areas favoured by native moose shooters have been heavily cut back (anywhere from 23%-64%). There are a couple of zones that have significant increases in tag allocations, but these are areas not favoured by the natives for shooting moose. Native moose hunting in NB typically involves reasonable proximity to a reserve, and easy access to habitat via roads. Many of the kills are incidental to commercial native wood cutting activities on crown or freehold land. When I registered my bull a few years ago, there were native moose hanging at the butcher shop. They had many bullet holes, were covered in dirt, and had not been cared for. I would not want to eat (or buy) this meat. According to the butcher the carcasses had been quartered in the field with chainsaws. When the Marshall decision first came down, one native boasted in the newspaper that he had personally killed 26 moose already that year, but he would stop when he hit 30.:eek: I have seen and heard enough to know that these claims were not idle. The most sickening part is a big proportion of these moose are being shot by non-natives, who either bring a native with them to claim it or find one after the fact:(

It is frustrating but the best way to fight it is to remove the market for the meat. If non-natives refused to buy it, natives wouldn't sell it. According to what I am hearing on the street, the novelty is starting to come off moose shooting for natives, as it is a fair bit of effort for a measly buck a pound which they may or may not get if they can't sell it. I don't want to say what happens to the meat if it can't be sold:mad:

The good news SC is that by and large most of the zones in NB have their quotas unchanged, or with marginal changes up or down. I feel that some natives are making positive changes towards a more upstanding lifestyle, and if this trend continues, the minority which abuse their "rights" will become more marginalized. The truth is that the SCC's clarification statement following Marshall clearly gave Provinces a mandate to regulate all use of natural resources by all including natives, and that conservation was given primacy. The fact is that our government lacks the guts to exert this authority to impose registration requirements for native kills. I firmly believe this would withstand a court challenge as it does not limit their right to harvest, it merely forces them to report their harvest. Then if conservation forced the gov't to take action, this action would be justified by the harvest data.

Good luck with your application SC;) Hope you get drawn!
 
Here in Alberta, the fish cops aren't even allowed to refer to "natives" killing off and selling animals like grizzlys and woodland caribou, they have to say poachers even though they know who they are, what tribe they are...

Sort of like the eagle killings in Vancouver, its been known for years indians kill and sell eagles for their feathers, now that it hits the tv shows, the indians still won't take responsiblity for their actions.
 
This is totally analogous to the IMHA here in Alberta, with documented cases of Metis shooting trophy sheep under the premise of sustainance hunting, while the rest of us apply for draw after draw.

While the IMHA was a hastily and poorly executed product of our PC provincial gov't, it's really a product of the rampant liberal cowtowing permissiveness that plagues our whole country.

The next time I hear someone ##### about the settling and subsequent societal evolution of this country which many of our great grandfathers may or may not have been a part of, I'm going to puke.

Don't you just love the fact that some ethnic groups are waaaaaayyy more equal than you and me?

Damnit, now I'm in a bad mood.
 
The marshall decision... Not that I agree with it guys, don't shoot the messanger... I have NEVER had my moose licence in NB, I REFUSE to apply to a lottery that I WILL NEVER WIN... Guys go many many years inbetween licences in NB...

Cheers
Jay

http://www.parl.ns.ca/lobster/nativerights.htm

What is the Marshall Decision?

On September 17, 1999 the Supreme Court of Canada acquitted Mi’kmaq Donald Marshall Jr. of three charges relating to federal fishing regulations: selling eels without a license, fishing out of season, and using illegal nets. The SCC accepted his argument that the treaties gave him the right to fish for a living.

The key question arising from this decision is what the 1760 treaty means today. The treaty gave the Mi’kmaqs the right to trade the products of their hunting, fishing and gathering for “necessaries”. The SCC interpreted this to mean the right to earn a “moderate livelihood” through trading fish and game.

The Canadian government later opposed the SCC’s decision and asked them to review the case after problems between the Department of Fisheries and Oceans (DFO) and Native fishermen arose. The SCC then claimed that they never intended the decision to mean that Native’s could regulate their own industry and fish whenever and wherever they wanted. At issue is the question of resource regulation. Did the SCC mean Natives have the right to fish with no regulations, under DFO regulations, or under their own regulations? Because of the confusion involved in interpreting the treaty, many issues have begun to surface. The government and the courts need to clarify what these treaties really mean for today’s First Nations peoples.

Consequences of the Marshall Decision

On-going disputes between the Department of Fisheries and Oceans and Maritime Native fishermen have been developing since the Supreme Court of Canada released the Marshall Decision in September of 1999. A number of native reserves in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick have been the site of controversies between Native and non-Native fishermen over the last year. A policy drawn up on September 29, 1999 by the Mi’kmaq, Maliseet and Passaquoddy describes “a commitment to conservation” as the first priority for the Aboriginal fishery. The policy also specifies a commitment to education and peaceful co-existence with Canadians. It is as follows:

Mi’kmaq/Maliseet people will exercise control of all fisheries resources within traditional tribal territories.
Any fisheries policy must protect and promote fishing rights recognized within relevant treaties and laws
Mi’kmaq and Maliseet leaders will not enter into fishing agreements that appear to abrogate or derogate from Treaty or Aboriginal rights recognized in applicable treaties or are protected by law. Such treaties and laws express Mi’kmaq and Maliseet responsibilities and intentions to assert full control over all fisheries resources within traditional tribal territories.
Twenty-seven of the 34 First Nations affected by the Marshall decision have come to agreements with the government concerning their fishing practices. To accommodate these natives affected by the decision, the government implemented a $160 million plan to help them establish a commercial fishing industry. The money being distributed to the reserves is in the form of boats, equipment, licenses, training and fishing facilities. Many natives believe that the program is not necessarily about native access to the commercial industry but is a way to reduce the economic hardship on the reserves. Many of the First Nation reserves have signed the one-year agreement, hoping it will make a difference in the future of their band members.

Burnt Church, a native reserve in northeastern New Brunswick was one of the reserves apposed to the plan and did not sign the deal with the government. They were part of on-going negotiations with the Department of Fisheries and Oceans throughout the year 2000, and had still not reached an agreement as of August 2000. Burnt Church band members are sticking by their beliefs that they have the right to regulate their own fisheries as indicated to them by the Supreme Court of Canada. The Department of Fisheries and Oceans has stepped in, seizing lobster traps and making arrests, stating that they must abide by the regulations set up by the DFO. Confrontations have arisen throughout the summer months and many more are likely to ensue. Both the government and the Native fishermen are refusing to back down, creating tension throughout northeastern New Brunswick.

To read more on the Marshall Decision and native rights, visit these websites:
http://www.mikmaq.net/english/news/
http://www.ncr.dfo.ca
 
riden said:
Come out for a visit every other year (we get a tag every other year) CB and you can hunt with us. I'll be your hunter host.
triton said:
How soon can you come Super cub?

Dave.
Gatehouse said:
Supercub, you are welcome to come to BC and hunt moose with me...:)

I'll drink your beer allotment, and snore your allotment too.

You can cut the moose, and I'll do the cooking.;)

Thanks for the invitations guys, but careful what you wish for as I just might take you up on it next year. :eek:

It would be this year, but my wife's 50th birthday lands smack dab in the middle of September and I gotta stay home for that one :D





sc
 
buckbrush said:
Here in Alberta, the fish cops aren't even allowed to refer to "natives" killing off and selling animals like grizzlys and woodland caribou, they have to say poachers even though they know who they are, what tribe they are...

Sort of like the eagle killings in Vancouver, its been known for years indians kill and sell eagles for their feathers, now that it hits the tv shows, the indians still won't take responsiblity for their actions.

Typical. The natives had a pow-wow in Cyprus Hills park about 15 years ago. They killed more elk than was known to exist in the park. They took the hind quarters, and MAYBE the backstraps and tenderloin, and left the rest to rot in piles.

And they wonder why hunters have a problem with their "traditional sustainance hunting". What a crock of ####. Further, if you were to buy wild game from them, and take it to the CO's, YOU would end up charged with purchasing the meat.

Just did a quick search, but couldn't find any information on the net. This may have occured up to 20 years ago.
 
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SuperCub said:
There are TONS of work opportunity for me in Alta in the oil business. I spend most of my time doing radiography at the refinery here in town, so it's just a phone call away.

I came very close to moving to Alta last year, but I have a daughter in University here in SJ and another with special needs. For these and a couple other family reasons, I decided it was best (for the family) to stay here for a while anyways. :D

Those are very good reason's to stay in NB, way more important than the moose hunt. I had a sister with special needs and she didn't respond very well to changes in her life. I suspect you would have very little trouble recruiting somebody to do the Hunter Host thing with you here in alberta just from this site.
Out here a bigger issue for us is the metis rules, they have just been struck down by a local court and the gov't is reexamining them.......
 
This is what happens when you give candy to baby, try taking it away!! The other term I don't like is Native, anyone born in this land is native to the soil...period. I and fricken sick of paying for something that happened a century ago. Would you like to be held accountable for the actions of say your grandfather when he was a kid?

Sorry sir, you are under arrest, your grandfather robbed a store, well WTF does that have to do with ME NOW??

There is growing proof that indians were NOT the first people on this land, get over it, move on. No one is trying to take their culture away but as a "wasp" I am sure sick of paying for it!
 
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Sorry to hear about this SC. It's pretty obvious that we can't manage our game populations if special intrest groups are not part of the process.
 
personally if natives want to hunt fine thats there good given right just like it is ours but the should be required by law to obtain a licnece, hunt during the open season and follow all the same bloody rules and regs we have too and if they ##### well fine they can have there licences at a discounted rate but they will still be liable the same way we are arggggggggg stupid freaking weenies
 
SuperCub said:
Thanks for the invitations guys, but careful what you wish for as I just might take you up on it next year. :eek:

It would be this year, but my wife's 50th birthday lands smack dab in the middle of September and I gotta stay home for that one :D





sc


use your head man:p get her a moose trip for her birthday;)
 
The natives in Canada are better treated then anywhere else in the world. The hardest work any of them do is waiting for the checques to arrive. I have no guilt as to how they were treated, if they wan't to go back to being cavemen ,adios.
 
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