My Ruger MKII with claw extractor is a push feed!?!

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I found out something new today.
I was reading a post on 24hcampfire about a guy saying that his Ruger MKII CRF was only catching the round only at the last second and wasn't really a CRF. Apparently this is common with some CRF action. John Barness mentioned that actually Ruger phased in the CRF action AFTER they introduced the MKII. That got me a little curious so I pulled out my stainless MKII that I had rebarreled in .35 Whelen. Sure enough, mine is a push feed:confused:. It's got the claw extractor but the bottom of the bolt face hasn't been milled out. It pushes the cartridge from the mag to the chamber and than the claw clicks over the groove. I've heard that it's not good to push feed action with claw extractor but it must be fine with mine because it's the only way to feed it! The serial number indicates that it's a '91 so it must be one of those transitional one. Doesn't matter much to me, I never bought in the argument that CRF was better and PF.

Anybody else has one of those transitional MKII?
 
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Yup,....early Mark II's are like the old tang safety model....a claw extractor does not a controlled feed make......a few minutes on the milling machine and you'll have a true controlled feed....remove the lip on the lower part of the bolt face...could be done with a die grinder (Dremel or similiar)....and a very steady hand....
 
Is that the only thing that is required, removing the lower part and everything would fall into place?
 
I've got two of those push-feed MKII's. Bought them new about two weeks before the announcement that all further production would be CRF:mad:. The extractor rides nicely over the cartridge rim when closing, no problems there. I remember that there was quite a bit of bellyaching from gun writers about Ruger having all the pieces in place, and then not making the MKII a CRF. I guess their whining helped give Ruger a push in the right direction.

I spoke to my gunsmith about converting the guns to CRF several years ago, since it seemed like a straightforward procedure, as you say. He was unwilling to attempt it without a CRF Ruger bolt to use for reference, and since I didn't have one the project went nowhere. Maybe now I'll revisit that idea.

John
 
jjohnwm said:
Sorry, no, the two to which I was referring are in .300 and .338 Win Mag.

John
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I've spent quite a bit of time shooting a 7mm mag boatpaddle purchased over 16 years ago. (I was 13 the first time I shot it) It is a CRF action.

My M77 in 25-06 was a push feed, and my budies 270 MKII boatpaddle which is younger is a push feed also.
My 30-06 i bought off of Win 94 was a CRF...
Does anyone know the dates they changed the manufacturing of the standard calibers to CRF?
 
I think it is worth taking a deep breath and then counting to ten b4 getting to obsessed over CRF.. My BRNO's, Mauser's, Newtons and Mannlicher Schoenauer are CRF....so what. I think most of the supposed advantages of CRF are to ensure proper feeding and extraction under pressure.... unless your caliber choice starts with a "37" or bigger and you like shooting big bear, or larger African game with it... it is probably not too big an issue... and the original '98's could be a little awkward to drop a quick round in the chamber. eg they frequentally would ONLY feed from the magazine...I am ok with the much smaller Sako, Remington, winchester PF extractors and the pretty good non CRF setup on the Ruger.

For the average hunter in Canada the CRF advantage is limited...
 
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I think it is worth taking a deep breath and then counting to ten b4 getting to obsessed over CRF.. My BRNO's, Mauser's, Newtons and Mannlicher Schoenauer are CRF....so what. I think most of the supposed advantages of CRF are to ensure proper feeding and extraction under pressure.... unless your caliber choice starts with a "37" or bigger and you like shooting big bear, or larger African game with it... it is probably not too big an issue... and the original '98's could be a little awkward to drop a quick round in the chamber. eg they frequentally would ONLY feed from the magazine...I am ok with the much smaller Sako, Remington, winchester PF extractors and the pretty good non CRF setup on the Ruger.

For the average hunter in Canada the CRF advantage is limited...
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I don't know about that. For example, the other day I was hanging upside-down in a tree and trying to avoid a double-feed in my non-CRF.....:runaway:

Of course you're correct. It's just one of those goofy things that a gun nut obsesses about. My hunting buddies would look at me as if I was speaking in tongues if I even used the term "controlled round feed" in conversation. But what the hell, it's better than worrying about the fact that the scope and rings on my Weatherby don't perfectly match each other in degree of gloss (and that DOES bother me!).:(

John
 
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