My very first gun and it's a lemon.

Eliminate variables:
Get yourself a 9mm chamber gauge and check your ammo for spec. Also check oal.
Have someone else shoot the gun to see if the problem is repeated.
 
Skyllz said:
Little known fact is that ammo, even for high end training purposes that some places pay a premium for, are supposed to have a 3 to 5% failure rate.

To get that rate up to 97-99%, the manufacturers charge a pretty hefty premium.

Add to this a new gun, a new shooter. I think your 3-4 misfires are pretty normal.

Keep loading those magazines and have fun, if this keeps happening, check with someone who has experience in shooting to make sure you are handling it properly before blaming the gun.
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Where do you get this fact from?Ive reloaded well over 100K of rounds over the years,using a variety of primers,and I can count the misfires Ive had on one hand,although I dont shoot much factory ammo,I dont think that I can ever recall a misfire.3-4 misfires per 100 rounds is certainly not normal
 
sevoman said:
Where do you get this fact from?Ive reloaded well over 100K of rounds over the years,using a variety of primers,and I can count the misfires Ive had on one hand,although I dont shoot much factory ammo,I dont think that I can ever recall a misfire.3-4 misfires per 100 rounds is certainly not normal
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Skyllz, I am also curious to know where you got this fact from?
 
sevoman said:
Where do you get this fact from?Ive reloaded well over 100K of rounds over the years,using a variety of primers,and I can count the misfires Ive had on one hand,although I dont shoot much factory ammo,I dont think that I can ever recall a misfire.3-4 misfires per 100 rounds is certainly not normal
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What he said.
Same experience here.
 
sevoman said:
Where do you get this fact from?Ive reloaded well over 100K of rounds over the years,using a variety of primers,and I can count the misfires Ive had on one hand,although I dont shoot much factory ammo,I dont think that I can ever recall a misfire.3-4 misfires per 100 rounds is certainly not normal
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+1

Take Care

Bob
 
Skyllz said:
Little known fact is that ammo, even for high end training purposes that some places pay a premium for, are supposed to have a 3 to 5% failure rate.

To get that rate up to 97-99%, the manufacturers charge a pretty hefty premium.

Add to this a new gun, a new shooter. I think your 3-4 misfires are pretty normal.
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John
 
Wolfstrack said:
if it's German made SIG/H&K then you've paid for what you get....high quality and top craftmanshift !
overpriced is the Glock sold for civilians market.
try to find out how much cost a Glock sold in bulk for gov. contracts
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When you're buying 5000 units, I'm sure you'll be able to swing the same deal directly with the manufacturer that govt agencies get. ;)

freeflier said:
Man this pisses me off! My VERY first gun (a glock 17) and I get a lemon. I've only taken it to the range twice. The first time I shot 180 rounds. The second time out I shot 100 rounds and had 3 misfires. That can't be right! I thought the glock was supposed to be this super reliable gun?
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Please elaborate on what these "misfires" are? Light primer strikes? A good primer strike, but the primer fails to ignite? Other kinds of stoppages, like FTF, FTE, etc.? Be aware that there is a break in period for new pistols too, and cheap ammo is exactly that... cheap.
 
Skyllz said:
Little known fact is that ammo, even for high end training purposes that some places pay a premium for, are supposed to have a 3 to 5% failure rate....
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I was up at the Mission pistol range last summer and a DFO officer had her Glock .40 jam up, presumably on account of a dud round. (The round had fired but the slide had only partly unlocked.) "Must be this cheap ammo they give us for practice" was her comment.

:) Stuart
 
RHall said:
Ive seen that happen with a broken firing pin spring on a Glock.
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If the firing pin/striker spring is broke the OP would not have heard and/or felt the "click". I also agree that ammo is highly unlikely as it appears he is using decent US made ammo. My money is on aftermarket garbage or someone was f*cking with the gun.

TDC
 
TDC said:
If the firing pin/striker spring is broke the OP would not have heard and/or felt the "click". I also agree that ammo is highly unlikely as it appears he is using decent US made ammo. My money is on aftermarket garbage or someone was f*cking with the gun.

TDC
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and no doubt would have stated that he could not go back and re-shoot, and the misfires would have all been in a row.

Where were the misfires in your mag OP? First? last?

I've had a new Sig fail to fire with ten rounds in the mag, worked fine with 9, but every time we tried ten it would not fire the first round.

Watched two friends struggle time after time (at least one or two FTE or FTF each mag) with a new beretta until they realized they were seriously limp wristing.
 
For those who are asking, I got this from documentations in regards to ammunition quality and tolerances when purchased by some police or training corps in Quebec that buy large quantities of ammo (we are talking a number of skids, not boxes). Those dated back from 2006-2007 if I recall, it's been a while and i'm sure it cant have changed that much.

Why is everyone shocked by this I don't know, I was not surprised about it.

The actual failure rate is much lower then this but they have a certain tolerance they can "play" with for cases like the OP where he cant say if it's him or the gun or the ammo that is causing the issue.
 
GunGuy34 said:
Well hickok45 has no probs with his and hes been shooting them for years. If i have any probs with my new G22, i will post them for sure. However, i dont expect any.
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That tells us absolutely nothing. He has a working version, or a couple of working versions...great. I think Lee has one that works well also.

What about the ones that don't work? Does Todd Green just not know how to shoot his? What about Ken Hackathorn? Is he just limp wristing?

There ARE problems with the Gen 4, and part of the issue is that an unknown combination of problems are generating the FTEs, FTFs and erratic ejection. Some of the Gen 4s run fine. Some run fine for 4-5000 rounds, then stop running properly. Some don't run at all.

If that were not the case, Glock would not be swapping out extractors and ejectors as well as RSAs. They would change out the RSA, and stop worrying about it. They aren't.

And as far as slide geometry, it's not a one-in-a-nnnnnn number, it's a possible problem affecting all of them. With the right combination of RSA, extractor and ejector, it seems to be a tolerable quirk. But if there is a tolerance stacking issue in the other parts, the slide geometry seems to become an issue.


You may get a good one. You may get a bad one and never know it, because most people don't shoot enough to realize they have an issue. You may get a bad one and know it immediately. The bottom line is that the Gen 4 Glocks are not predictably reliable in the way that Gen 3s were.
 
I must be a lucky one then since I know for sure when I was shooting my buddies M&P9 with 115g AE, well over 2000 rounds last summer and no misfires. Must be getting all the good boxes
 
sevoman said:
Where do you get this fact from?Ive reloaded well over 100K of rounds over the years,using a variety of primers,and I can count the misfires Ive had on one hand,although I dont shoot much factory ammo,I dont think that I can ever recall a misfire.3-4 misfires per 100 rounds is certainly not normal
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While I agree 100% with you, remember that you are shooting your own ammo and you wont have a team of lawyer up your ass if something goes wrong with a batch of primers.

So the manufacturers are only protecting themselves saying so.

I've had a bad box before from Winchester, called them up, they wanted all the batch numbers that is printed on the box, never heard from them again.
 
Curious to know what gen it is, and what the OP means by "misfires" since I see people use the word to describe everything from double-feeds, stovepipes, failure to fires, etc.
 
How people can blame limp wristing for light primer strikes is beyond me. Strip the slide and see if there is anything blocking the firing pin. Clean it all and put it back together. Then shoot it some more.
 
misanthropist said:
That tells us absolutely nothing. He has a working version, or a couple of working versions...great. I think Lee has one that works well also.

What about the ones that don't work? Does Todd Green just not know how to shoot his? What about Ken Hackathorn? Is he just limp wristing?

There ARE problems with the Gen 4, and part of the issue is that an unknown combination of problems are generating the FTEs, FTFs and erratic ejection. Some of the Gen 4s run fine. Some run fine for 4-5000 rounds, then stop running properly. Some don't run at all.

If that were not the case, Glock would not be swapping out extractors and ejectors as well as RSAs. They would change out the RSA, and stop worrying about it. They aren't.

And as far as slide geometry, it's not a one-in-a-nnnnnn number, it's a possible problem affecting all of them. With the right combination of RSA, extractor and ejector, it seems to be a tolerable quirk. But if there is a tolerance stacking issue in the other parts, the slide geometry seems to become an issue.


You may get a good one. You may get a bad one and never know it, because most people don't shoot enough to realize they have an issue. You may get a bad one and know it immediately. The bottom line is that the Gen 4 Glocks are not predictably reliable in the way that Gen 3s were.
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I do agree with that. Time will tell the whole story. As new gen 4s are rolled out, maybe glock has fixed the issues your talking about.
 
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