Mystery Magazine

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I am posting this for amusement and information... I posted it in another forum (Main battle Rifles) but not much interest there.

The rifle this fits is extremely rare... very few in existence I believe...

Let the guesses begin... I will tell you it is a rifle cartridge and it holds 75.


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The protrusions on the front and back near the top of the magazine are throwing me for a loop, I’ve never seen anything like that. Is that how it locks into the magazine well?
 
dwagonade said:
The protrusions on the front and back near the top of the magazine are throwing me for a loop, I’ve never seen anything like that. Is that how it locks into the magazine well?
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Yes...

It makes this magazine fit only this model of rifle and prevents any other make of magazine to be used.
 
Well...moving slowly here too!

Hints? I am guessing that since you posted it over in Main Battle Rifles, that it is a full size cartridge. Country? Was it adopted for service, or a Trials rifle that didn't get anywhere?

I can see how the retention system could work, just not so sure of why there would be any effort to exclude any other mags.

At 75 rounds, that mag could double as a leg splint or a crutch if need be! LOL!
 
The magazine holds 7.62 rounds... the action is a straight blow back design... think about it...
 
guntech said:
Well it is a 7.62 blank firing full auto for training purposes to simulate live fire ... with the blow back action it would blow up with a loaded cartridge so it was made so no other magazines would fit it... if someone were to try ammunition it would blow up.

This is a late 1950's version and made in Germany.

The original model is here: https://www.forgottenweapons.com/light-machine-guns/zfg38-training-machine-gun/
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The mag shown there, does not look at all like the mag posted, though the reasoning is sound...
 
trevj said:
The mag shown there, does not look at all like the mag posted, though the reasoning is sound...
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That's because I can find no pictures or reference of this German made 1950's model 7.62 caliber. It has a cord (rope) about 25 feet long attached to the "trigger" designed to be a trip wire or manually pulled for firing... Has to be 1950's as the 7.62 round was about 1954... unfortunately some of the box markings are gone... but 7.62 is original and very visible. Two magazines (held in position using the 2 holes and a large U shaped heavy rod) extra small springs, firing pin, main recoil spring (about 4 feet long uncompressed) muzzle nut (very small hole) and three extremely heavy steel stakes. Total weight about 86 pounds.
 
Makes some sense. Dunno if the exclusive mags really solves the problem of live ammo accidentally (or, purposely) being loaded in with the blank stuff. Or is the mag sized to not allow a live round to be loaded?

The CF had a fair few weapon incidents where live rounds were mixed in the blank ammo. Bad enough to destroy the barrel, but when they are busy playing silly bugger and shooting at each other, there is the potential for deaths or serious injury. In at least one case I was aware of, multiple loaded magazines that had been prepared prior to an exercise, had live ammo in them.
They also found a note from a former member of the Unit, essentially saying "F**k you guys!"
 
Lodi said:
Ok...so how do you know that that is what the magazine actually is designed for?
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Because I saw the whole complete fully auto non firearm in the original box, all fitted in place... I placed the magazines in the action and inserted the U shaped rod that holds them in place.
 
Neat piece Dennis, we called them "Effect guns" and they were either a propane fired noisemaker or we had to build a box to place an actual weapon downrange using a pull wire to fire it. That produced issues with possible damage to a live weapon and the propane fired noisemakers often didn't work quite right. Also we had the dilemma of using blank or ball in our live effect guns, ball worked perfectly but had to be set up pointing down into the ground. The one you illustrate works correctly as designed.
 
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