Mystery Shotgun Modification Riddle

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Recently I acquired a very nice little 28 gauge Remington 1100 Skeet gun through the EE and discovered an interesting modification that had been made to the gun. Can you figure out what it is, what it does, how it does it and why someone might want it? Have you ever seen one like it and do you have any idea who might of done the work? I have some idea who did it but don't have it confirmed.

The tube is machined aluminum. It's hollow. The magazine cap is from an 1100 but not original to the gun. It's different in one major respect. Also to work the gun needs to be slightly modified as well.

There are no prizes if you know other than the satisfaction of figuring out a riddle that initially stumped me and a local gunsmith. Slugo, thegunnut, jeffg and others who I may have told about this are prohibited from guessing.;)

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This may have been done by a skeet shooter who wanted each of the guns he shot in each gauge to weigh the same (leastways, I've heard that this is a common reason for adding weight to the smaller-gauge guns); this way, he could add as much or as little weight as he wanted, with lead or steel weights in the tube.
 
SDC said:
This may have been done by a skeet shooter who wanted each of the guns he shot in each gauge to weigh the same (leastways, I've heard that this is a common reason for adding weight to the smaller-gauge guns); this way, he could add as much or as little weight as he wanted, with lead or steel weights in the tube.
No but a good guess. This modification does something to the gun to change its operation.
 
Could it be an extended magazine follower limiting the magazine to 1 shell? Added weight as well as making sure you could only load a total of 2 shells for skeet? Don't know what is up with the cap.
 
Not sure from the angle of the tube, but could it be for changing the "Depth" of the mag limiter (tube) so that they could change the length of the tube without having to disassemble the firearm? (Eg insert a long allen key, or rod down the hole in the cap into the tube end to catch/uncatch the tube ??)
 
guntech said:
Could it be an extended magazine follower limiting the magazine to 1 shell? Added weight as well as making sure you could only load a total of 2 shells for skeet? Don't know what is up with the cap.

It does limit the magazine but that's not it's purpose. The cap is a replacement originally it had a sling swivel attachment. As part of the modification the swivel and base were removed leaving a hole in the magazine cap.

I won't prolong this past tonight but it's an ingenious device that while of debatable merit does work.
 
bill c68 said:
Does it have anything to do with a mercury recoil reducer?

My first guess was the same as Guntech, a magazine limiter.

Nope. It has nothing to do with recoil reduction.
 
Does it vent the gas forward through the magazine cap rather than up through the openings in the forearm?
 
bill c68 said:
Ok, so sometimes, it allows the gun to work normally and sometimes you can switch it to a single shot? Now to figure out how???
You don't switch it yourself. It works on its own.

stocker said:
Does it reverse or rotate to block or open a vent hole?
It doesn't rotate.
 
Claybuster said:
You don't switch it yourself. It works on its own.


It doesn't rotate.

When the magazine is empty it stops the last shell in the chamber from ejecting........

it saves one hull from hitting the ground......
 
bill c68 said:
I was just sitting down watching TV... and letting my brain rest... does it operate normally when a shell is loaded in the mag? Then when the mag is empty, it blocks the vent?
Other way round actually but you've pretty much sorted out how it works.

This is a shell “catcher” of sorts and the modification is done to limit the number of shells a skeet shooter has to pick up off the ground.

To make this device work there are tiny gas ports drilled into the magazine tube underneath the indentation where the rubber o-ring sits (I did mention another modification to the gun in my first post.)

The aluminum tube replaces the follower in the magazine tube. The magazine cap with a hole replaces the standard magazine cap.

The Remington 1100 and every other gas-operated gun bleeds off gas from the shell through holes in the barrel to work the action. On this gun however if there is only a shell in the chamber and the magazine is empty the gun doesn’t eject the empty hull or lock the action back. The gas goes through the holes in the barrel, into the magazine tube and out the hole in the magazine cap. The hull has to be removed by hand.

But when there are two shells in the gun for doubles the aluminum tube slides forward blocking the gas ports in the magazine tube and the action functions normally, ejecting and feeding the second shell. But on the second shell the aluminum tube has slid back and the action doesn’t eject the final shell which also has to be removed by hand.

So a skeet shooter would shoot singles by loading only one round and ejecting manually. But on doubles the gun would fire twice but only the second empty would have to be removed manually. Instead of picking up 25 hulls the shooter would only have to retrieve four. The Remington 1100 has a reputation of throwing hulls a considerable distance and if you’ve priced 28 gauge hulls you’ll know why this modification might be appealing.

I didn’t know this modification has been done the first time I shot the gun and needless to say I was scratching my head over a gun that worked on doubles but wouldn’t eject the last shell or a singly-loaded round. I didn't find the aluminum tube until after I'd shot the gun and didn't know what it did at first. When I did figure it out I was definitely impressed with ingenuity of the unit.

The smith I showed it to hadn’t seen one either but subsequently learned it was a modification done by the now-defunct Delhi Small Arms in Delhi, Ontario.

This design makes use of existing factory parts except for the aluminum tube. For a shotgun techno-junkie like me this kind ingenuity fascinates me. I’d love to track down who did the work.

Has anyone ever seen one like it or know anything about the people who made it?
 
guntech said:
When the magazine is empty it stops the last shell in the chamber from ejecting........

it saves one hull from hitting the ground......
Yes. I posted my response before seeing yours. It's neat little gadget and definitely a new one on me.
 
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