Look at a distant object (target) with both eyes open. Hold one hand with thumb up and cover the target, still with both eyes open. Close one eye at a time, the eye that sees the thumb is still covering the target is the dominant eye.
MYTH - Eye Dominance
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brokenaxle
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I think we all need to watch the classic Nicholas Cage film 'Fire Birds' to have Tommy Lee Jones teach us about eye dominance. It's in a movie, must be real.
I have a weird thing with my eyes, really there is no dominance I can choose at will what eye is dominant. For example I can look though a scope right eye and focus on target, with out moving my head look over at the flags or any other object with left eye. Then let the right take over most work and fire all with out closing an eye. I can do your reading test with out I can swap eyes to read each side as I need to the blur is there but the hand just moves when I look at each side. I shoot left or right pretty much the same. I can't remember what the optometrist called this but he said I am the only patient that can do it but he was aware of it and can't under stand how I have stereo vision.
The only disadvantage I have found it quick shots with a bead on a shot gun. I need think about what eye I need to have in control at the time.
The only disadvantage I have found it quick shots with a bead on a shot gun. I need think about what eye I need to have in control at the time.
Powderfinger61
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It's very easy to see, but you refuse to accept the answer to the myth. Your definately blinded by the light.
My left eye works better than my right. Therefore I'm left eye dominant. I don't need a doctor to tell me I can't see.
All that your saying in circles is that people who are left handed is just a myth. It's the way the person operates. It's not a myth.
Now answer my direct question: Explain to me what procedure or simple test you have to determine if a person doesn't have a dominate eye and it's just a fairy tale.
You may want to go and talk to the military about eye dominance, they spend a LOT of money retraining eye dominance in their pilots. The pilots for the apache helicopter must be right eye dominant to use the HUD eye piece. If they are left eye they cant properly see the eye piece.
Dominance in humans is quite normal. It is somthing we are born with. Be it how he fold our fingers together, what leg catches us if we fall forward. Which hand we Instinctively use, and which eye we unconsciously line things up with.
As others have said pick an object across the room pop your hand up and cover it with a finger or thumb. Close one eye than the other. The finger will seem to jump back and forth from covering the object to being beside it. The eye open that is still covering the object is your dominant eye plain and simple, your brain can be fooled I to switching but it takes time and effort.
Make a circle with your thumb and fore-finger and hold your arm outstretched. Find a distant object to view through the circle and concentrate on it with both eyes with your face pointing straight to the object. Now, while still staring at the distant object bring your hand back as quickly as you can without punching yourself in the head and still keep the object framed. Your hand will go to the dominant eye. Try it again using the other hand, and both if you want.
Eye Dominance is a well documented and observed fact. There are hundreds of studies confirming it's existence and consequences.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042698901000797
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1475-1313.2005.00344.x/abstract;jsessionid=FB5C601E4521D46C34B24A59EC98F02C.f02t04
Anyone who has coached shooting or archery can confirm it's existence and consequences.
I had mine assessed by an ocular surgeon prior to corrective laser surgery using a convergence near point test. The test is objective and validated and required because it is possible change eye dominance with laser surgery.
For the majority of people ocular dominance is strong. Some people have eye dominance as a result of different level of myopia or other ocular irregularities. This can't be changed or learned away. Only a small percentage of people are neither left or right eye dominant. To suggest anyone else should just learn to change it is a little off base.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK10880/
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042698901000797
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1475-1313.2005.00344.x/abstract;jsessionid=FB5C601E4521D46C34B24A59EC98F02C.f02t04
Anyone who has coached shooting or archery can confirm it's existence and consequences.
I had mine assessed by an ocular surgeon prior to corrective laser surgery using a convergence near point test. The test is objective and validated and required because it is possible change eye dominance with laser surgery.
For the majority of people ocular dominance is strong. Some people have eye dominance as a result of different level of myopia or other ocular irregularities. This can't be changed or learned away. Only a small percentage of people are neither left or right eye dominant. To suggest anyone else should just learn to change it is a little off base.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK10880/
Brutus
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I used a poor choice of words earlier on here.
I meant to say, arguing about this subject is a huge waste of time.
Nobody agrees with the OP.
Nobody........
To demonstrate to a novice about eye dominance I like to use a tube about 3 feet long... like a 2 inch mailing tube open at both ends... stand about 6 feet or more away for the person being tested... ask them to hold the tube at arms length with both hands pointing it at the floor, then slowly raise it up at arms length with both eyes open looking through the center of the tube and look at you. You will see one eye looking through the tube and that is the dominant eye... you can substitute a yard stick for a tube and have them sight down it with both eyes open doing the same procedure. If they ask how you know which eye is dominant, as they are looking at you, tell them to close the eye lined up with the tube/yardstick and suddenly they see they are now not lined up...
I have been using this procedure for 50 years... left or right eyed dominant eyes are not a problem once it is determined. I have seen shotgun shooters have a terrible time hitting anything simply because they were left eyed and shooting right handed with both eyes open... of course they were shooting quite far left of the target... and hard left targets were about the only thing they came close to...
You can test yourself using my procedure and a mirror... you will quickly see what's what.
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I am left eye dominant and mostly use my right hand as my dominant hand, Though I discovered in my adult life that I am pretty much ambidexterous except for swinging a baseball bat.
I say that I am left eye dominant because when I look using my right eye through a scope and try to focus, it does not become as clear and detailed as when I look through with my left. When I close one eye at the doctors office and read the vision test chart, I can read a few more lines with my left than with my right. When I was a kid I had special lenses in my glasses to strengthen my right eye, which worked to a point.
For those posting about physical eye issues, again this is not the topic. If one eye mechanically works better than the other and cannot be repaired it is reasonable to assume this person would have issues using the poor eye.
I am trying to get some of you to understand that the "simple test" is flawed. The test is supposed to tell you something and in fact it doesn't. One problem is that as humans we do not move perfectly symmetrical. I have done these "tests" with dozens of non shooters and demonstrated to each after several tries that it doesn't work. Something very important for everyone to understand is that the person must for example, move the tube off center to be able to see. Again, they choose which direction to move off center in order to see through the opening or line something up or which is blocking the view. What I am saying is that for every person I have shown this, they can be told to try ever so slightly to favor any eye they choose. Guess what, they come up with the expected result every single time. These "tests" simply do not work. Typically a "coach" had told them they are ### eye dominate after performing the trick. Now if the person believes this, it is usually enough to skew the results in that favor and we have another believer. What I am telling you is that we must decide somehow to line up for the test. This decision does not mean there is a problem, it simply means we made a decision because we had to in order to finish the test.
Ishodu, you are not alone. Exactly how I shoot and what I am trying to convey. If people would start with a person that never heard of the myth and don't tell them then they miraculously have no issue. I have asked three optometrists and one ophthalmologist about this. Each of them told me to do a "simple test". I explained the mechanics of choosing which way to move my hand or arm so that I can see through a hole or what is covering the focus point and that I decide what to focus on they were shocked and proceeded to tell me they have no training on this subject and it is not in their field of study. Each told me that they don't remember having any real information on the subject.
For the posters that disagree with me, please take notice what questions I ask people and what you tell people. I know I trick people into telling me what I want to hear, you don't know that your doing it.. The absolute truth of the matter is that I can go back, explain how the test is fallacy and get them to give me a different result. Now its fun for them and not a worry about a deficiency. I call it a myth or fallacy because of the ease at which people can give me a different result. If it was real, most if not all would give me repeated results even after I tell them how the test is skewed. This is why I must speak out and get your attention. I think most people that disagree with me expect a result and hold onto it not understanding how they coached a response. I haven't tried a person with one eye that functions significantly better than another. I would naturally expect them to favor one eye. If a person favors an eye a little bit it does not mean they have a problem. It does not mean they have to take drastic measures to correct the problem. If a shooter has an actual eye problem then yeah, help them compensate. The power of belief is amazing, good or bad, so be careful what you tell people.
Cheers,
Rob
I am trying to get some of you to understand that the "simple test" is flawed. The test is supposed to tell you something and in fact it doesn't. One problem is that as humans we do not move perfectly symmetrical. I have done these "tests" with dozens of non shooters and demonstrated to each after several tries that it doesn't work. Something very important for everyone to understand is that the person must for example, move the tube off center to be able to see. Again, they choose which direction to move off center in order to see through the opening or line something up or which is blocking the view. What I am saying is that for every person I have shown this, they can be told to try ever so slightly to favor any eye they choose. Guess what, they come up with the expected result every single time. These "tests" simply do not work. Typically a "coach" had told them they are ### eye dominate after performing the trick. Now if the person believes this, it is usually enough to skew the results in that favor and we have another believer. What I am telling you is that we must decide somehow to line up for the test. This decision does not mean there is a problem, it simply means we made a decision because we had to in order to finish the test.
Ishodu, you are not alone. Exactly how I shoot and what I am trying to convey. If people would start with a person that never heard of the myth and don't tell them then they miraculously have no issue. I have asked three optometrists and one ophthalmologist about this. Each of them told me to do a "simple test". I explained the mechanics of choosing which way to move my hand or arm so that I can see through a hole or what is covering the focus point and that I decide what to focus on they were shocked and proceeded to tell me they have no training on this subject and it is not in their field of study. Each told me that they don't remember having any real information on the subject.
For the posters that disagree with me, please take notice what questions I ask people and what you tell people. I know I trick people into telling me what I want to hear, you don't know that your doing it.. The absolute truth of the matter is that I can go back, explain how the test is fallacy and get them to give me a different result. Now its fun for them and not a worry about a deficiency. I call it a myth or fallacy because of the ease at which people can give me a different result. If it was real, most if not all would give me repeated results even after I tell them how the test is skewed. This is why I must speak out and get your attention. I think most people that disagree with me expect a result and hold onto it not understanding how they coached a response. I haven't tried a person with one eye that functions significantly better than another. I would naturally expect them to favor one eye. If a person favors an eye a little bit it does not mean they have a problem. It does not mean they have to take drastic measures to correct the problem. If a shooter has an actual eye problem then yeah, help them compensate. The power of belief is amazing, good or bad, so be careful what you tell people.
Cheers,
Rob
Rob I have never met anyone that can understand what I am talking about its just really hard to explain. I don't think many people can swap the lead eye with out having that one blocked or hindered in some way. I swap eyes constantly to what ever gives me the best view of what I want to look at.
I can't find much info on it so it seems really uncommon. This is likely why it brings up a argument. I think one of the eye people I talked to told me its a one in a million thing.
I can't find much info on it so it seems really uncommon. This is likely why it brings up a argument. I think one of the eye people I talked to told me its a one in a million thing.
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The key to 'looking through the tube' is not to tell the person to choose an eye, but to tell them to hold the tube at arms length and with both eyes open look at the floor through the center of the tube... then slowly raise it up. Unless you squint or close an eye - one eye will be dominant time after time in this test.
